“stiffing people” is language that implies they are entitled to the tip, which they are not as it’s a tip. Expecting a tip is falling victim to the propaganda that enables employers to maintain low wages. By continuing to tip because “that’s what people do” you’re only further cementing this culture.
If more people refrained from tipping or tipping excessively when not appropriate, then employers would have to increase wages. That’s how to solve the problem.
When I tip, I tip 20%, but I’m not going to begin tipping at a grocery store or getting a coffee unless it’s a small, local establishment.
But most people don’t so your individual effort without any effort to bring more people on board is you pretending that you’re somehow hurting employers, which you aren’t.
Why would you tip for a coffee? You make me stand in line to order, stand against the wall to wait for my drink, and you want me to give you more than the $5 you’re already charging for a latte? It’s insane.
Don’t worry though, I don’t stiff the baristas. I make better lattes at home.
Sure, if I am staying in the establishment for a bit, they’re serving me repeatedly by themselves in glassware, offering samples of drinks I haven’t tried, making suggestions, etc. I’ll typically tip $1–2 per drink for that.
If a barista served me over a couple hours with nice mugs by themselves, I’d probably tip as well. But if I’m waiting in line, then give an order to one person, and have my name called out later by a different person who serves me a drink in a disposable cup, that’s not like bartending. That’s the model of Chipotle and Subway, and nobody tips at Chipotle or Subway.
Absolutely. If I happen to order a beer at the fair I’m going to tomorrow, I’m not going to tip because that’s beer to go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone tip in that circumstance.
That’s not a bartender/bar scenario, we are way afield of that. If you step into a bar and order a drink, do you ever not tip (aside from the obvious such as really really rude/nasty service)?
Yes, that is a bartender operating out of a portable bar, complete with bar signage. Their point of sale being outdoors rather than in a building does not magically change that.
If I were in an indoor bar that operated like Starbucks, I would not tip. Most do not operate that way, though. The indoor bars I have gone to all operated like traditional bars, so I’ve tipped there.
Dude come on. You keep dancing around this. I am talking about a standard-fare bar, what everyone considers them to be. Generally a dedicated space that serves alcohol with a year-round license. The last sentence you wrote is clearly what I am talking about. So yes, you do tip at bars for a beer.
The point is, did a bartender exert any more effort pulling out a beer and popping a bottle cap and handing it to you then somebody who made you a coffee?
Tipping at coffee shops is pretty culturally standard. I understand why you do not, but I am only trying to point out that whenever we start saying “I tip these people but not those people,” when clearly they all work a job that depends on tips to make it work, you’re just being inconsistent and are punishing one group arbitrarily over another.
I’m in the US and I don’t tip a bartender for popping a bottle cap. If I’m sitting at the bar and they are making conversation and I’m getting mixed drinks then sure I will tip. But in no way is that similar to a Starbucks experience. Coffee shops operate no different than McDonald’s, do you tip at McDonald’s? No, so why would I tip at a Coffee shop?
Tipping culture is flawed to begin with. I already said I tip at bars if exceptional service is provided, but popping a bottle cap and handing me a beer is not tip worthy. You are not entitled to a tip just because you chose to work at a bar. And using your own logic a coffee shop is considered fast food, so your entire argument just went out the window.
Only assholes don’t tip their bartenders when they know it is the primary way they make rent.
I am against tipping culture. I have repeated this in a dozen comments. But not tipping does not end tipping culture or hurt businesses. It only hurts the person serving you.
If you go to places where tips are expected then it is on you to pay a tip. If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to bars. You can save plenty of money drinking at home with friends. But to avail yourself of those services and then refuse to uphold the part of the bargain we are all aware of is trashy.
You hate tipping culture so much you refuse to participate, but not so much that you won’t give those establishments your money? Please. Splitting hairs over specific cases doesn’t change the ridiculous entitlement that comes with this position. You know what is expected, you know these people depend on it, yet you refuse. That’s a selfish move. Do not try to sell it as some generous action in a great struggle to end tipping culture or whatever fairytale you choose. We both know you don’t believe that it solves the problem.
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Some of us live in countries with a living minimum wage. But this tipping bullshit washes up on our shores anyway.
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it is objectively more messed up that employers aren’t paying enough that wages need to be subsidized with tips
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“stiffing people” is language that implies they are entitled to the tip, which they are not as it’s a tip. Expecting a tip is falling victim to the propaganda that enables employers to maintain low wages. By continuing to tip because “that’s what people do” you’re only further cementing this culture.
If more people refrained from tipping or tipping excessively when not appropriate, then employers would have to increase wages. That’s how to solve the problem.
When I tip, I tip 20%, but I’m not going to begin tipping at a grocery store or getting a coffee unless it’s a small, local establishment.
But most people don’t so your individual effort without any effort to bring more people on board is you pretending that you’re somehow hurting employers, which you aren’t.
Why would you tip for a coffee? You make me stand in line to order, stand against the wall to wait for my drink, and you want me to give you more than the $5 you’re already charging for a latte? It’s insane.
Don’t worry though, I don’t stiff the baristas. I make better lattes at home.
Why would you tip for coffee? It’s fast food.
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Sure, if I am staying in the establishment for a bit, they’re serving me repeatedly by themselves in glassware, offering samples of drinks I haven’t tried, making suggestions, etc. I’ll typically tip $1–2 per drink for that.
If a barista served me over a couple hours with nice mugs by themselves, I’d probably tip as well. But if I’m waiting in line, then give an order to one person, and have my name called out later by a different person who serves me a drink in a disposable cup, that’s not like bartending. That’s the model of Chipotle and Subway, and nobody tips at Chipotle or Subway.
That’s a lot of caveats. So you’re saying there are situations where you’ll walk into a bar, buy a beer, and not tip?
Absolutely. If I happen to order a beer at the fair I’m going to tomorrow, I’m not going to tip because that’s beer to go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone tip in that circumstance.
That’s not a bartender/bar scenario, we are way afield of that. If you step into a bar and order a drink, do you ever not tip (aside from the obvious such as really really rude/nasty service)?
Yes, that is a bartender operating out of a portable bar, complete with bar signage. Their point of sale being outdoors rather than in a building does not magically change that.
If I were in an indoor bar that operated like Starbucks, I would not tip. Most do not operate that way, though. The indoor bars I have gone to all operated like traditional bars, so I’ve tipped there.
Dude come on. You keep dancing around this. I am talking about a standard-fare bar, what everyone considers them to be. Generally a dedicated space that serves alcohol with a year-round license. The last sentence you wrote is clearly what I am talking about. So yes, you do tip at bars for a beer.
The point is, did a bartender exert any more effort pulling out a beer and popping a bottle cap and handing it to you then somebody who made you a coffee?
Tipping at coffee shops is pretty culturally standard. I understand why you do not, but I am only trying to point out that whenever we start saying “I tip these people but not those people,” when clearly they all work a job that depends on tips to make it work, you’re just being inconsistent and are punishing one group arbitrarily over another.
No I don’t, why the fuck would I tip someone for handing me a beer?
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I’m in the US and I don’t tip a bartender for popping a bottle cap. If I’m sitting at the bar and they are making conversation and I’m getting mixed drinks then sure I will tip. But in no way is that similar to a Starbucks experience. Coffee shops operate no different than McDonald’s, do you tip at McDonald’s? No, so why would I tip at a Coffee shop?
Is there a tipping culture surrounding fast food?
Is there a tipping culture surrounding bars?
There’s your answer.
Tipping culture is flawed to begin with. I already said I tip at bars if exceptional service is provided, but popping a bottle cap and handing me a beer is not tip worthy. You are not entitled to a tip just because you chose to work at a bar. And using your own logic a coffee shop is considered fast food, so your entire argument just went out the window.
Only assholes don’t tip their bartenders when they know it is the primary way they make rent.
I am against tipping culture. I have repeated this in a dozen comments. But not tipping does not end tipping culture or hurt businesses. It only hurts the person serving you.
If you go to places where tips are expected then it is on you to pay a tip. If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to bars. You can save plenty of money drinking at home with friends. But to avail yourself of those services and then refuse to uphold the part of the bargain we are all aware of is trashy.
You hate tipping culture so much you refuse to participate, but not so much that you won’t give those establishments your money? Please. Splitting hairs over specific cases doesn’t change the ridiculous entitlement that comes with this position. You know what is expected, you know these people depend on it, yet you refuse. That’s a selfish move. Do not try to sell it as some generous action in a great struggle to end tipping culture or whatever fairytale you choose. We both know you don’t believe that it solves the problem.
At this point, almost everywhere I order from has a tip line.
They’ll just ignore you the next time if you tip like shit
Or in their case, not at all.
I think that was exactly their point.
Nope. Price on the menu is the price I pay for a coffee. If you want more money, charge more money for the product.