I’ve noticed a lot of posts asking how we’re going to vote, and people coming in trying to shame people for not voting for Biden, or any candidate in the general election at all.

So I’m curious and, asking in good faith, want to know - what will make you stop voting for Biden?

  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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    342 years ago

    Abandoning his clear adherence to the rule of law to get shit done, would also do it.

    Rule of law in America is only the rule of the bourgeoisie. Where is the rule of law in his response to Israel? Oh right, it’s the rule of Israel’s law.

    • @[email protected]
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      2 years ago

      Rule of law in America is only the rule of the bourgeoisie

      In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.-Anatole France

      Where is the rule of law in his response to Israel? Oh right, it’s the rule of Israel’s law.

      Do you think I disagree? Israel is able to flaunt international law because of Joe Biden’s non-response and the support of the United States in general. And it is Israel who is directly morally responsible for the death of Palestinians (and probably Raytheon/Lockheed Martin). Ultimately, Joe Biden is tangential to the fact that the Israeli government is misanthropic and murderous. Do you think a strong condemnation would stop Israel from invading Palestine? Because that’s more foolish than anything I believe.

      • SmokinStalin [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Biden didn’t give a “non response”. he’s not ambivalent and ignoring the situation. He SUPPORTS Israel, he will not even entertain the idea of a ceasefire. He is taking an active role in genocide.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        272 years ago

        I think that Israel is only able to exist thanks to its benefactors giving it billions in military aid year after year, so there’s no sense acting like Biden’s hands are tied when they are firing rockets made by America’s MIC.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 years ago

          Sanctioning Israel, while imminently deserved, would be political suicide in the U.S. It would be functionally indistinct from just literally slapping Netanyahu and calling him a bitch.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            222 years ago

            Literally slapping Bibi and calling him a bitch would a.) Be very funny and b.) Possibly create an off ramp for the brewing Israeli civil war.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            242 years ago

            Sanctioning Israel would be rad, but it would also fracture the western economy. I’m not saying sanction Israel, I’m saying just turn off the endless spout of money going from the US to Israel in aid and instantly-forgiven “loans” and so on.

            But beyond that, I think it would be good to not let neoliberals dictate to you what is viable. If this dude had some epiphany and became an anti-Israel politician, he’d take the stance supported by the clear majority of the country. If he loses re-election, who cares? He can demonstrate how powerful the zionist character assassination machine is and retire both rich and much more beloved than he will be here in our reality.

            You can’t just wait for the establishment to give you permission to make transgressions, you need to make them and keep making them until you have established new norms. Of course, Biden is the establishment, so he is part of the problem rather than part of the solution, which is why I’ll vote for PSL or whatever.

      • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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        192 years ago

        Do you think a strong condemnation would stop Israel from invading Palestine?

        In your own comment, you already named Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, the AMERICAN companies that are directly enabling the genocide. abby-exasperation who was asking for a strong condemnation, we were asking for them to stop giving Israel weapons! The power is literally in the US’ hands!