I’ve noticed a lot of posts asking how we’re going to vote, and people coming in trying to shame people for not voting for Biden, or any candidate in the general election at all.
So I’m curious and, asking in good faith, want to know - what will make you stop voting for Biden?
Him being worse than the alternative. Electoralism won’t fix anything, though…
As a person living in Alabama, I think my efforts are best spent on trying to get ANYONE but Tuberville elected for our military members but that election isn’t until '26
Why would you vote against tuberville he’s unironiclly done more to stop American imperialism than anyone else in my lifetime.
I wish all the troops a nice long helicopter ride in the east Mediterranean
for our military members
they should quit
They should do little a mutiny, as a treat.
It is going to happen in the next 20 years.
Is guaranteed at this point due to how unhinged congress and the white house are progressively becoming. Is going to be necessary for the US to continue to exist, the Joint Chiefs are all extremely well educated in history (many have history PhDs) and are professional bureaucrats with the very real power to intervene with force if it comes down it. Unlike US political leadership who have all started to believe the propaganzied version of history the US pumps out for the masses, the very top brass at the Pentagon all are true believers with a sober deep historical understanding of empires stretching back to Rome. I remember during the Trump years how surprised both Democrats and Republicans were when they put on show-hearings grilling various top US military leadership who kept responding with statements about having read the full works of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and countless other historical figures.
It won’t be a communist revolution or even a rightwing military coup but will be to prevent the balkanization of the US while ensuring the liberal order and pax americana can continue in some form even if US political leadership are too propaganzied to continue running the empire.
I remember during the Trump years how surprised both Democrats and Republicans were when they put on show-hearings grilling various top US military leadership who kept responding with statements about having read the full works of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and countless other historical figures.
Word. The scariest people in the world are fash and adjacent who have read socialist theory, understand it, and use that understanding for evil.
It won’t be a communist revolution or even a rightwing military coup but will be to prevent the balkanization of the US while ensuring the liberal order and pax americana can continue in some form even if US political leadership are too propaganzied to continue running the empire.
The POTUS gets marched in to a dark room, the lights come up to reveal the Joint Chiefs and instead of a video from the Grassy Knoll it’s a live feed of a predator drone circling the oval office.
This makes sense because unlike the kabuki theater that is US politics, they are part of the security state that actually runs the country, so they have not completely drunk their own kool-aid and do research on their enemies. However, the rot will eventually seep to them as well.
I would vote for tuberville if I could, critical support for weakening and humiliating the US military inshallah
If you don’t vote for Hitler then Turbo-Hitler will win.
Basically what every lib response made in this thread is at it’s core
Unironically yeah.
The existence of a Turbo Hitler means that there is a Turbo Stalin out there
im votin for that guy
:butterfly-guy:
is this dialectics
Turbo-stalin’s spoon was too big and he collapsed in to a point singularity with the equivalent of 53,000 solar masses.
A republican candidate that won’t accelerate all the bad shit that has happened under Biden. He may be shit but Trump is a whole ass shitstorm. That said I live in a fairly safely blue state so I may end up voting third party.
If he’s dead
this entire thread is fucking wild
In a good way though, right?
so, I’m abstaining, which means I should really prepare for that project 2025 thing by buying some straps and some training lessons for said straps.
We have a c/guns, we like helping
I do vote for the demon rats every cycle but I’d never shame anyone for not having the stomach. I’m trolleyproblembrained.
I think Biden could make Donald Trump his vice president that might do it
Anyone voting for Biden at this point would vote for Biden no matter what. He could walk into their home, eat their firstborn, and screech BUILD BACK BETTER and they’d fucking clap.
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He’d have to be worse than Trump which is basically impossible. I will not abstain, I will chose the leader I want or, barring that, the least worst option. Biden it is.
Do you personally believe that it’s possible to use a vote as leverage to get policies you want or better align with?
I don’t believe the US system allows for that, no. Everything is a game and we are basically forced to choose between capitalists and fascists. But within that terrible system there still is a choice which is better than nothing. I may be choosing Kang but at least it’s better than Kodos.
I think local politics can be influenced by volunteering but even then money can ruin it (as it did in my town last week).
You could take a third option.
I’m not trying to set you up for a dunk, but why do you vote if you don’t think it can be used as leverage?
From how you describe, it doesn’t seem like a choice outside of aesthetics at this point. I believe that if I refuse to show up or participate in voting the general and stay consistent with my views, that I’m not passively accepting the lower standards we’re presented. I’m also not endorsing, defending, or carrying water for candidates who are commiting or enabling crimes against humanity.
My personal concern is that a broad acceptance of Biden as the preferable outcome between two inevitable outcomes limits the conversation on what kind of world is possible. The DNC still has time to course correct and be on the right side of history.
Voting nationally is a low leverage action, but abstaining is a no leverage action. So to have any leverage at all I must vote, and since I’m voting I’m going to vote for the best/least worst candidate. Diamond Joe does some shitty things but Trump is another ambitious, poorly spoken level, his treacheries have treacheries. I don’t have a viable third option so this is where I’m at.
We had a chance at real change in 2016 and it was taken away. If that happens again I am all in but I don’t see any beneficial action right now to make that a reality.
What do you mean we had a chance at real change in 2016??
Before that
Abstaining is how voting can have leverage. Voting only has leverage if politicians can’t take your vote as a given
we are basically forced to choose between capitalists and fascists
I may be choosing Kang but at least it’s better than Kodos
Funny joke to make when you’re literally the butt of it.
Why is Trump “impossibly” worse? And yes this is a trap question so pick your reasons carefully, cause I’ve noticed liberals have no clue or pretend to have no clue about the things Biden’s done
You’re cute.
You’re voting for the genocide of an indigenous colonized society.
What was Trump doing that Biden currently isn’t also doing, just while not bloviating to the the media about how cool he is for doing it?
you’re a condescending prick. shut the fuck up liberal
Death to America
Definitely a response of someone confident in their assertions
It’s a religious belief.
The idea that Biden is better than trump is so self-evident to them that it doesn’t require any justification. They think you’re trolling because you’re asking something so obvious.
Me: A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide
You: A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide
here we fucking gooooo!If he don’t put in cornpop as his VP.
