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Wtf who are these people how do you even eat that much beef, snack on jerky, eat steak for breakfast?
Goddamn, at this point I’m starting to wonder what problems even fucking are normally distributed in some sense. It’s the same as guns and car pollution, fuck. Beef is expensive as hell these days anyway.
at this point I’m starting to wonder what problems even fucking are normally distributed in some sense
Well, things that are somewhat equally distributed. Can’t have a normal distribution in a society where things are distributed unequally. (wanted to do the rollsafe meme here but couldn’t find it)
I wouldn’t miss animal products if they all vanished tomorrow.
For me dairy is the hard one – meat fucking sucks now, especially for how expensive it is. Like the actual quality of meat seems to have gone down dramatically since like 2017-ish.
Almond milk and never look back. I’ve been almond milk exclusive for almost a decade and now I can’t stomach the smell of dairy milk.
Try oat milk!
Yeah, oat and pea milk don’t have the environmental issues almond milk has. A quick look at almond production in the US west made me way less enthusisatic.
The amount of water used in those farms could sate the thirst of tens of millions
If I were in charge, I’d get rid of every dairy first. Producing cow milk is significantly more water intensive than producing almond milk. So this argument (almond milk bad because almonds take a shitload of water) leads inexorably to an even better argument to avoid cow milk: cow milk bad because cow milk takes even more water to produce than almond milk does.
If you’re going to avoid drinking almond milk because of its water consumption, you had better be avoiding cow milk as well, for the same reason.
Completely true yes, but the transfer would take a hell of a lot of time. Years or decades. Especially if almond milk cant replace milk in all its functions. The industries will continue until the other production method expands enough to facilitate the previous jobs and similar or increased output.
Speaking of which can I get some sources for that claim, i haven’t read anything on that specifically. I do know almond farming is quite draining of resources for low returns.
I don’t avoid anything for personal consumption, almond milk is more expensive than regular milk here because hawaii has everything mass imported. Also can you bake with almond milk, or soy?
Yeah it’s still better than dairy though right? I actually really dislike almond milk, I’m not even sure how people like it I hate it so much. I do really like oat milk, soya milk is my favourite though and it’s a crime that it’s underappreciated lol. The one I buy has the same protein and calcium content as dairy with 2.1% fat, and it has 0g of sugar unlike dairy that has what like 5g per 100ml? It also has much less saturated fat of course. And it’s only £0.50 (~$0.60usd) at Aldi
In terms of health, sure. In terms of environmental footprint, quite possibly worse though iirc US agriculture and pasture makes even Australia look water conservative, and we grow rice in the desert
In terms of environmental footprint, quite possibly worse though
This is not true. There are dairies in California, quite a lot of them, and they take much more water than almond farms. So I agree, almonds shouldn’t be grown in a desert and in a better world they wouldn’t be, but saying that almond milk is as bad for the environment as cow milk is extremely wrong, and worse, gives carnists reason to keep drinking cow milk.
I have tried multiple oat milks and just can’t get into it
Have you tried Soya milk? That’s my favourite, it is high fat and high protein so it’s quite creamy. If you want to substitute dairy with it, it works the best and is also very cheap
I haven’t, I’ll give it a try!
Yeah, agreed. I like oat but soya is my jam and it’s much more nutritious.
if we put these people to a vegan diet and everyone else cut out their meat by a good 50% we can probably fix a lot of issues from ecology to diet, then we can move on to pressing matters
Would production follow consumption patterns? The meat industry is so highly subsidized as it is, I can see the government pumping even more money into it for purely ideological reasons
we would gradually scale down the meat industry yes
This is actually a statistical error. Beef Georg, who lives in a cave in Colorado and eats 60,000 cows a day, is an outlier and should not be counted
the beef people walk among us
what the fuck
I’m just assuming it’s the “You don’t eat meat? I’m going to eat three hamburgers to make up for it.” people.
Those people are loud and annoying but I doubt they make up an eighth of the United States
It’s not.
I think those people don’t exist outside your little rage circle
it’s the people who grew up with the “Beef. It’s what’s for dinner!” commercials
Jordan Peterson fans?
Men
50-65
White
A 57 year old white man eating that much red meat surely won’t be eating that much for long ☠
man needs to cook it instead of just abusing their wives into slaving away in the kitchen
Trying to commit suicide gang
ITS NOT EVEN OK TO BE WHITE MAN ANYMORE
💧 💧The only thing he’ll be grilling are tears.
so in 20 years when those ppl die of colon cancer is the beef industry going to collapse and thus get propped up by subsidies? beef will be the new milk.
Always has been. In the states corn and soy subsidies lower the cost of most animal products by half.
Yo this is gross af
That is wild. I’ve cut back on meat consumption to only once or twice a week and advocate to people who want to try vegetarian/veganism but struggle with it to just approach it gradually rather than all or nothing. I make the argument that if we all reduced our consumption by 50-80% that would go a lot further than only a few people reducing their consumption 100%.
Now I’m not so sure. Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
this is the wayMaybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
Movie Idea: “Shawshank Redemption” meets the Campfire scene from “Blazing Saddles.”
Working Title: The Gulag Fart-I-smell-ago.
It’s the keto dads.
i had not thought about it, but this does not surprise me. the ideology of the US is to make the wealthiest asshole in a room of 10 people feel completely free to ruin everyone else’s experience/lives.
i remember when i was much younger and first recognizing the environmental destruction of overconsumption and the shittiness of rich people stunting on poor people, and not for anything so noble as “feeding kids”. rather, “i’m gonna buy a hummer and drive across country” or “i’m buying a fashion accessory for $2500.” i would impulsively say, “that’s stupid. you’re an asshole” to those people.
and, right on cue, other americans would swarm me and say, from the script, “it’s their money. they have every right to spend it how they want.” for 9 out of 10 of us in the US, that thinking is still dumb, but probably not undermining community or the biosphere. but there’s the 1 asshole that sees their personal power in the moment as an invitation to wreck the place. to piss all over the sink in a restaurant. to break the public phone or steal the phonebook. to take all the candy in the bowl. to not wash their hands after a shit.
there’s one person in a room of 10 that needs a constant reminder that their actions have consequences and if they are an asshole, the other 9 are within their power to smack some sense into them.
“I have free choice, so that means every available choice is morally corrrect” is possibly a founding brainworm of American capitalism.
Hot take: I think the liberal abhorence of physical violence in schools in self defense of bullies. I don’t think there’s a good way around it or we should just let it get back to the “good ol’ days”, but kids who defend themselves often get the book thrown at them. I worked in schools years ago, and most of the time admin would suspend the kid who defended themselves with a wink and a nod to the kid to let them know they actually did the right thing by punching the bully in the nose. I saw a white rich girl get a black eye from the black girl she was being overtly racist to (even calling her the n word), and staff all felt it was justified. But there’s a small contingent of administrative staff on school boards that will expedite expelling kids for these situations, which I also saw happen.
Idk, I just feel like if you’re hurting people, people can and will kick your ass, and that’s actually a valuable lesson.
other americans would swarm me and say, from the script, “it’s their money. they have every right to spend it how they want.”
It’s almost painful to me how accurately this describes most Americans.
America is the most heavily propagandized nation in the history of the world.
The stat that horrifies me is how a person can consume multiple lives in one sitting. Like every two chicken wings equals one life slaughtered, and people get orders of 8 pieces at once, maybe multiple times a day or for multiple people.
I guess cows, pigs, horses, whatever are bigger animals and feed more people, but it’s still messed up to me to know that one small meat snack requires the slaughter of an entire animal. It’s not like we can amputate their legs and only eat that part.
I think I’d still feel the same knowing the cost of lives of other products. Like how many lives had to be lost to mine the cobalt in each of my electronic devices
Not to be that guy, but each chicken produces 4 wings.
How so? They have 2 wings each?
The wings have joints. Wings aren’t usually served whole. It’s like an arm. They have the part that’s from the shoulder to elbow, then elbow to wrist, and there’s a third joint that’s like the hand but it’s too small to do anything with so it’s usually cut off and not served or just fried with the lower part of the wing because it’s mostly cartilage.
Do they take part of it off before selling whole chickens? Every chicken I’ve seen in a grocery store just has the one on each side
Birds have 2 whole wings, but in many cases (not all) when served, they’re broken into 3 pieces with the tips discarded, giving you 4 “party wings” per bird
Party wings? I always heard them being called Buffalo Wings. Like a chicken wing is like the whole wing but a Buffalo Wing was named after the city and was like one of the few foods American actually invented.
huh resourceful.
Equivalent of forearm and upper arm from each wing
