I’m torn between “why are they putting caffeine in lemonade” and “I’ll take 2 please”
btw where is this image from? Is that Anne Hathaway?
Devil wears Prada I think
Pink Sauce
Oh I forgot about that one
TikTok-based botulism, amazing
It was people doing zero research or testing and just making shit up.
It didn’t secretly use egg or milk to thicken, dragonfruit contains pectin.
Chef Pii doesn’t seem like a good person and early batches had packaging issues poorly and errors in the nutrition facts, but there’s no evidence it was dangerous.
When asked whether her product was approved by the Food and Drug Administration, she stated that her product is not a “medical product”, causing further backlash from commenters who noted that the Food and Drug Administration is responsible for regulating food alongside drugs
This got me lmao
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Other highlights:
One TikTok user faked their death after consuming Pink Sauce as a “social experiment to see how quickly other people could spread misinformation”
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As of December 5th 2023, her GoFundMe is at $25,459 out of the $100,000 required, $24,240 of which came from a single donor.
Panera Death Lemonade
Well at least I know what my next metal band will be called
Also be careful with some of these energy drinks out there people, a Celsius has an insane amount of caffiene, like three red bulls for an 8.4oz
All caffeinated foodstuffs should have their caffeine content displayed on menus and the nutrition facts box.
It seems absolutely ridiculous to me that’s not already the case.
“Companies shouldn’t be allowed to lubricate the downwards escalators and shake it occasionally.”
Agreed, I need to know the most cost effective way to edge the LD50
Boofing a white monster energy.
Ngl, I’ve considered trying it with the death lemonade. That would require going to Panera though.
That’s literally a cup of coffee
95 mg in coffee cup vs 300 in a celsius
It’s like 120-200 in a cup of coffee iirc espresso shots are like 80-120? (???)
@[email protected] that being said sucralose is genotoxic and im convinced taurine makes you smell musty
That must be in a Murica size cup of coffee, then. A normal cup of coffee in countries not named the United States of America is roughly 250ml, and averages 80-110mg of caffeine depending on roast and blend, 95mg being the average.
Standard espresso shots are universally a 1oz/30ml shot, and contain 63-64mg of caffeine the world over.
A can of Red Bull has 80mg caffeine, so that Celsius has 2.5 times as much caffeine. They also sell the apparently more popular “Celsius HEAT” with 300mg of caffeine in the US. Both are illegal here in Canada, as CFIA mandates a maximum of 180mg caffeine per serving/container, no cheaty multi-serving cans allowed.
That must be in a Murica size cup of coffee
I use what I consider a normal coffee mug that just fits 8 oz, and I get mocked at work for my “tiny” coffee mug…
Starbucks is pretty famous for having weird (and often subjectively described as bad) espresso. While people are quick to point out that this is largely because they roast at much higher temperatures than other roasters, an often overlooked aspect is the fact that they massively overextract with a too-small grind to counter for the “shortness” of their shots, using too little water. This results in a smaller 0.75 oz shot of espresso that’s bitter and has a higher caffeine content.
We could sit here all day and argue over whether the espresso the mastrena machine produes counts as a real shot, but I think the nail in the coffin there is that Italian regulators do not consider Starbucks’ espresso to be espresso, and the only Starbucks in the nation is a Starbucks Reserve which does not use the mastrena machine or sell any standard Starbucks products you’d get in the US.
Doppio
Also that is two shots. Doppio is Italian for double. That would average like 125-130mg caffeine, but again, Starbucks espresso is weird.
Sorry for the effort post, I just care a lot about culinary chemistry and processing, kind of an interest of mine
additional thoughts
we could argue about how much caffeine regularly consume via drip coffee in the work place which is actually obscene. like 5 cups. they really overextract
especially since i was the only person who ever cleaned the plastic coffee dispensers when i was catering offices damn that shit was seasoned
i’ve worked at various places like starbucks and i think the italians can take a hike we do it better. you’re right about the dark roast for shelf life that shit’s garbage without cream and sugar
if we’re doing fda style arguments over whether celsius is going too hard i think celsius lawyers would cite that numerous coffee roasters are emulating starbucks regardless of the objections from you or italians and serving people beverages with 200-450mg caffeine regularly
that’s fine i just think people should be able to get the original 12oz coca cola with 300mg of caffeine and a little bump of coca extract
8.4oz is too small though
Ma’am this is a starbucks
That must be in a Murica size cup of coffee
here in Canada
lol it’s the same country. Google “Tim Horton’s caffeine content”. Small is 140 mg, XL is 330 mg. 30ml espresso says 120mg.
Definitely, youd probably get shot here if you served someone only 250ml of coffee
Im confusing it with Ghost then
csius HEAT is 300 as per the other very caffeinated person who replied to me
Also bang energy and the regional one we have here called green dragon, the extreme version of 300 mg versus the like 120 and the basic version in like 8 ounces
I want regular unhealthy snacks but I keep getting offers/coupons that only apply to all these weird drinks with caffeine levels measured in kilo Sieverts and the taste is fizzy septic sludge.
some of them are much better on the rocks
The bigger question, in my view, is why should Americans rely on a law firm, and the eventual decisions of a judge and jury in Delaware to decide what will effectively be a national standard for caffeinated lemonade? The answer is that the United States’ regulatory bodies are far too feeble to sufficiently protect the public against hazardous products, and so they essentially outsource this task to consumers and the lawyers who represent them. In peer nations—like, for instance, the United Kingdom—the government imposes strict and consistent regulations on the front end: It requires warning labels on drinks with more than 150 mg of caffeine and bans the sale of these drinks to children under 16. In the U.S., by contrast, the FDA barely regulates caffeine: It does not require manufacturers to include caffeine on the ingredient list of many caffeinated beverages, let alone disclose the amount of caffeine on the label. Nor does the U.S. government bar any consumers from buying ultra-caffeinated products, mandate an explicit warning label, or monitor advertisements. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/12/panera-charged-lemonade-that-kills-you-lawsuit-facts.html
having caffeine labels on products would blow my mind. i didn’t even think about it until seeing this, but of course slightly-more-normal countries provide labels because it’s a profoundly powerful drug. i have been steadily weaning myself down over the last decade–i used to be a complete freakshow–and it’s not easy given how prevalent it is and how we have to look shit up online to know how much is in something. i would say i’m somewhere between 50-75 mg / day, with the occasional jump up to 150 mg which feels “intense”. i can absolutely have days under 40 mg or even 0 mg and not get a headache or anything… but i will really want to siesta in the afternoon lol. and now i really appreciate the perk of a cup of green tea or even black tea if i’m feeling daring.
one of these lemonades would fuck me up lmao.
this shit absolutely needs to be regulated, but i won’t act like the yuzu citrus flavor wasn’t delicious and didn’t have me wired all day.
This lemonade is the final ingredient to my Kahlua + 4loko based cocktail that I’ve been inventing.
I call it the Heart Palpatini.
It’ll be drank by line cooks in 45°C kitchens everywhere. Which means it’ll be consumed along with lines of cocaine in the walk in cool room.
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Having all those circumstances together would be wild. You’d immediately turn to stone like you were making bedroom eyes at Medusa.
Gotta have a little something to wash down the drip, ya know?
heart palpatini
I just realised this is the hellworld version of a Thai drink I had once.
It was orange juice and espresso.
Panera corporate: Hey these Orientals seem to love this [caffeinated citrus drink] what if it’s the next Froyo or Boba? We should get ahead of it.
Panera: but also how do we do it cheaper than having to use espresso and oranges?
Citrus and coffee seems ungodly bitter.
A Turkish-German guy at work swears by coffee with lemons as a hangover cure. I think it’s gross.
they do citrus in tea in Europe
orange juice and espresso
Gonna try that later
You can’t stop me from eating a handful of Pepper X. I will die in dignity
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sorry but its absolutely on the consumer if you’re killing yourself drinking 500mg of caffeine in a lemonade or giving a 5 year old a ‘death’ chip.
sorry but its absolutely on the consumer if you’re killing yourself drinking 500mg of caffeine in a lemonade or giving a 5 year old a ‘death’ chip.
that’s right
There’s too much information required for everyone to make perfect decisions at all times and there’s a reason we put warnings on things as a result. Some of it is really fucking obvious that you shouldn’t do, some of it isn’t. We put on acetaminophen that you shouldn’t take more than 3g a day and most boxes/bottles explicitly state no more than x pills every x hours based on the dosage of the pills. What about the people that bought loose caffeine powder to manually add it to things they make like protein smoothies that when not given a scoop in the container put too much caffeine in and end up dying? The world wants caveat emptor to the end of the earth when in reality half this shit is dangerous off the factory line.
How about HFCS? It’s in fucking everything in the US, you can’t escape that corny goodness. It’s not healthy, but it won’t kill you in a day, is it the “consumer’s” fault that they got life long diseases due to not knowing enough to pick better options or rather, didn’t have better options even available?
They’re killing enough of us already, we don’t need to carry water for them.
This is the dispenser. Most people don’t know what milligrams are, let alone how many milligrams of caffeine are in coffee. They say these drinks have the same caffeine as a very strong coffee, but that’s per volume, not per drink. One of these fucking things
is FOUR coffees. And they aren’t hot, they go down easy. One of the people who died was in Florida. It was probably a hot humid day. You could have 3 of these iced drinks easy, which is what he did, and that’s between 12 and 15 coffees. 12 and 15. No barista would hand you fifteen fucking coffees to drink all at once. If these drinks exist they need to be behind the counter and marketed more accurately.
you’re right I should amend my comment to say it is on the educational system for not teaching americans metric
It’s not even about the units, you could put this in ounces and even fewer people would know.
People don’t know caffeine dosages because nobody has to know that - they know what coffee is, and that’s normally the strongest source of caffeine by a long shot. Even a huge Monster energy drink is less caffeine than a regular one cup of coffee, and that’s well understood to have a kick to it. It’s specifically marketed as an energy drink, so much so that people are often more intimidated by Monster and similar drinks than they are of coffee.
I have never heard of a single product, ever, that has had more caffeine, either by volume or by container, than coffee. I’m sure some existed before the Panera Death Lemonade, but I’m certain it’s fairly obscure and also that it is marketed as absolutely fucking you up with energy.
I guarantee that the previous inhabitant of the spot next to the soda machine was some sweet and unsweet tea, or other juice, uncaffeinated.
It’s really just an attempt to make a product unexpectedly more addictive to increase their sandwich sales. They thought slapping the miligrams on the box could shift their legal liability to the consumer - that maybe a judge will rule that people just have a responsibility to understand caffeine dosages before having a lemonade with their shitty sandwich. Maybe they’ll be right
FDA: the safe amount of caffeine an adult can have per day is 400mg
Panera: this lemonade has 390mg of caffeine in it
Average American: I don’t speak metric, 3 lemonades pls
???
Why are soft drinks measured in metric in Yankistan?
Because everything here should be metric but amerikkka decided to be a special sjowflake to say fuck you to the civilized world
safety warnings being in a system of measurement the people being warned don’t know is the issue.
Yes it’s dumb America doesn’t use metric but far more importantly it’s dumb that it doesn’t say on the drink that you can’t safely drink 3 of them
Right but soft drinks (and apparently the CDC) measures caffeine in mg which goes against the usual imperial measurements, giving the average person even less frame of reference to how much they’re ingesting
Jesus they don’t even put down the recommended daily amount
When I heard the news, I went to Panera for the first time in ten years to try the poison. I got the strawberry, I think. It was tasty lol.
Panera is killing people as a viral marketing scheme
The publicity will offset their legal fees by a lot.
This drink seems like a trap for me, given how often my friends send me the “you’re not ascending to godhood, you’re sleep deprived and dehydrated” meme
If we start regulating uppers in drinks, I’ll never get to taste the proper coke
It’s wild to think some confederate fuckface invented Alcohol/Cocaine Soda in the 1800s because he wanted a nice relaxing beverage to drink outside in the Southern heat while weening himself off of morphine lol
Alcohol/Cocaine Soda in the 1800s because he wanted a nice relaxing beverage to drink outside in the Southern heat
NGL that might make an awful hot and humid August day without A/C more bearable.
The what?
the death juice
the Panera lemonade that kills people
Oh, right. The lemonade… The lemonade from Panera, the lemonade chosen specially to kill people, Panera’s lemonade.
That lemonade.
A man drank 2.5 litres of caffeinated lemonade, totalling 1100+ mg of caffeine. He then died.
Theres probably a co-morbidity because the LD50 of caffeine is like 5000mg.
wtf that’s insane
Honestly its safe to expect most Americans to have some already existing heart condition
Still kinda irresponsible for them to put something stronger than energy drinks in a self serve drink fountain. They labelled it with “390mg caffeine per large serve” expecting the average American to know metric or have any frame of reference outside of people that read the FDA website (which also for some reason says 400 mg, in metric, for the recommended daily intake for an adult)
Yup, should have had an included warning (“X is the recommended safe daily amount of caffeine”), then again that’s expecting a corporation to actually care about people which they do not (or expect to be punished when they harm them via negligence).
Let’s be honest, it would just be like the fine print that says “drink responsibly” pasted on Everclear or some other 90% alcoholic spirit.
At least alcohol you can taste and if it’s strong as hell you can feel. Someone attempting to just down some everclear is more than likely just gonna barf most of it back right up immediately and feel fucking terrible before they can do too much harm to themselves. It feels like you’re doing damage. This could sneak up on people.
True, the smallest of fine print in the corner where it can still be legally defended as a “warning”, this stuff should prolly get the 4Loko treatment and be removed from the public but sadly will prolly not
I have that frame of reference because I abused caffeine pills. I would carry them around in an Altoids container because they went down a little easier with a coating of Altoids dust. They were 200 mg apiece. I only exceeded two in a serving once and regretted it intensely, then failed the final for which I was attempting to cram. A two-pill drink is bonkers, and at Panera? I don’t understand this place any longer.
“warning drink too much and you’ll fucking die”
would be my suggested warning
Both the people who died after drinking it did IIRC
I might be misremembering, but I think caffeine’s ld50 is closer to 2000mg. 1000mg is enough for a normal person to suffer caffeine poisoning at any rate.
