Nope, not me… I’m still trying.
Nope, it’s all Simpsons-based up in here.
Lol, upvoted for honesty.
Only for hyper specific things.
Such as “why is this radio transforming broadcast frames into unicast frames for only OSPF packets causing the neighbours not to form.”
Doesn’t work… you’re still thinking of things that have been thought by others before you, which is why it occurred to you to even think about them.
I don’t know because I can’t know what every person who ever existed already thought about. Unlikely given the total human population.
You ever give a rimjob to someone who can fart the ABCs? They can butt fuck your tongue, while you’re tongue fucking their butt.
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Is it possible to know whether you have without knowing all other preceding thoughts?
Sorry, not sure I know what you mean…?
Unless you know every thought that has ever been thought, there’s no way to know if your thought is original or not.
Start by coming up with a thought that you think might be original, see if you can at least do that.
I believe that in this context, original does not mean you are the only person who ever had this thought. I mean, it’s a thought that you generated yourself without somebody else having given you the information needed to generate that thought in the first place.
Yes, that would count as an original thought… whether someone else had already thought it or not doesn’t matter, as long as you yourself thought it entirely on your own.
“Hrmm. I think ‘toiletflushshowerscream’ is a great Lemmy Username” is probably an original one.
Thought about it… Lemmy and usernames and what people think of usernames are not original thoughts. It has to be 100% original.
Hmm, that might be one, or close… just not sure it’s 100% original.
I’m a figment of my own imagination.
Not original, Google it.
I had that thought before google existed. Beaning a high likelihood that I came up with it without someone telling me it.
The first to explore the thought was Plato, approx 2500 years ago. Try again :)
Plato is a figment of his own imagination.
Lol, ok, forget I was here.
An inside-out fish regurgitating an upside-down top hat
100% original… fish and regurgitation and upside-down and top hats have all been thought of before.
Every moment of your life, you have been traveling through space and time. Even in the time it takes you to read this comment, you have passed through vast distances on the rock we call Earth.
Space and time aren’t original thoughts… they’ve already been thought of and about by many others before us.
Lots of them.
My most common pastime is just sitting around thinking about things, and I’m sure quite a handful. I am the only person who’s ever thought that particular thought.
Like thinking about dimensions, the first dimension is a point, the second dimension is a plane, the third dimension is a cube, right?
Then you cross another fourth dimension and that’s time, but that fourth dimension could be thought of as a dot in time, that dot being the present moment.
That would mean that the fifth dimension is a plane of time, containing all of the possible past moments and all of the possible future moments for that dot as observed by the observer.
The sixth dimension is a cube of time, containing all of the possible paths and all of the possible futures for every observer within that closed time-like curve universe thing.
So then what’s the seventh dimension? Well, that seventh dimension would be a dot, and that dot contains all of the potential cubes of time and the cubes of existence, in which the original universe is from the observer’s viewpoint.
So then the eighth dimension would be a plane of all of the potential universes that the observer could have possibly existed in, and then the ninth dimension would be a cube of all of the potential planes of universes in which the observer could observe.
And the tenth dimension is all of that combined together into a single dot, all of the possible universes and all of the possible timelines that have anything to do with the observer who is observing them, folding like an Ouroboros’s tail back into its own mouth.
Of course, there’s probably a million ways to disprove this thought, and there’s probably an untold number of ways why this thought does not congru with our rational understanding of the universe.
It is highly reliant upon there being some sort of symmetry between each of the levels of dimension in numeric order, or in some sort of observable order that can be laid out in a numerical format.
I am aware that it is a flawed thought, but it is a thought experiment and it is fun, and it’s one that I came up with just thinking about how the first through fourth dimensions are currently laid out.
As soon as you start thinking about dimensions, your thoughts are no longer original cause you’re piggy backing off other people’s ideas and theories.
That’s like saying that because there are only 12 notes in music that you can’t write an original composition.
A 100% original composition, if you could invent entirely new notes. I know it seems impossible, but it can’t be when every single thought had to have been thought for a first time by someone.
From your responses to others’ comments, you’re looking for a “thought” that has absolutely zero relationship with any existing concepts or ideas. If there is overlap with anything that anyone has ever written about or expressed in any way before, then it’s not “100% original,” and so either it’s impossible or it’s useless.
I would argue it’s impossible because the very way human cognition is structured is based on prediction, pattern recognition, and error correction. The various layers of processing in the brain are built around modeling the world around us in a way to generate a prediction, and then higher layers compare the predictions with the actual sensory input to identify mismatches, and then the layers above that reconcile the mismatches and adjust the prediction layers. That’s a long winded way to say our thoughts are inspired by the world around us, and so are a reflection of the world around us. We all share our part of this world with at least one other person, so we’re all going to share commonalities in our thoughts with others.
But for the sake of argument, assume that’s all wrong, and someone out there does have a truly original, 100% no overlap with anything that has come before, thought. How could they possibly express that thought to someone else? Communication between people relies on some kind of shared context, but any shared context for this thought means it’s dependent on another idea, or “prior art,” so it couldn’t be 100% original. If you can’t share the thought with anyone, nor express it in any way to record it (because that again is communication), it dies with you. And you can’t even prove it without communicating, so how would someone with such an original thought convince you they’ve had it?
You’ve got it. I don’t think I was clear enough asking the question. Might have done better asking if anyone’s ever imagined anything that’s never been imagined by anyone else before in any shape or form… I don’t know. Funny, not even sure how to pose the question so it’s clear. I tried reasoning along similar lines as you, and ended with the conclusion that every thought must have been thought for a first time by someone… we just got here after the fact. And those thoughts, once original, have all followed us into the present… which tells us it’s indeed possible to communicate entirely original thoughts. So, what do you think?
Would sodium make a good bath bomb, or would a liquid sodium-potassium alloy be better? What about cesium, if price is no concern? How effective would such a bomb be against someone taking a bath? What’s the best delivery method; maybe something that dissolves in water like dishwasher pods?
I’m reasonably sure nobody has thought that before.
It only occurred to you to think of these things because others thought of them before you, and you heard about them… sodium, bath, bath bomb, etc. So not 100% original. Try imagining something that no one before you has ever imagined before, in any shape or form. I can’t do it and trying boggles my mind.
By original, do you mean an idea that was independently formed or an idea which formed before anyone else could think of it?
A thought that came to you entirely independent of anyone else’s thoughts… something that no one before you has thought or imagined, so that it includes absolutely nothing that’s already familiar to you.
By that definition no human has ever had an “original” thought.
Not true… every thought had to have been thought for a first time by someone, just not by us (it seems).
it includes absolutely nothing that’s already familiar to you
I truly do not believe that any thought exists without context, if you can find any examples I would be happy to be proven wrong.
Well, every single thought had to have been thought a first time by someone, no?
Sure, but by your definition any thought containing any kind of language would not be “original” because it requires familiarity with the language.
Now you’re breaking off into something else that fascinates me… symbolism as a highly efficient method of communication. If you test yourself, you’ll find it takes less time for your brain to process symbols than spoken words… and there’s a very short amount of time in there where your brain understands what it’s looking at without the need of any other language other than symbolism.
In that case, no good ones.
Lol, in that case, I’m not gonna ask.
I can force an all original thought, but then I wouldn’t understand it because I thought of it in an all original language. 🤷🏻♂️
Interesting… if someone did come up with a 100% original thought, could they even understand it? Have to think about that one.
now we’re… not gettin anywhere 😒
I just did it by thinking up this UUID: 4d6b3a08-e1b5-407c-bb6c-cbac830ff4bd
“the annual risk of a given person being hit by a meteorite is estimated to be one chance in 17 billion, which means the probability is about 0.00000000006 (6 × 10−11), equivalent to the odds of creating a few tens of trillions of UUIDs in a year and having one duplicate. In other words, only after generating 1 billion UUIDs every second for the next 100 years, the probability of creating just one duplicate would be about 50%.”
ls /dev/disk/by-uuid
4d6b3a08-e1b5-407c-bb6c-cbac830ff4bb
Damn. Off by one.
Does anyone know why UUIDs are split into the chunk sizes that they are?
A variation of something that already exists isn’t original.
Then the last “original” discovery was “fire”, and I’m not even 100% sure about that. Everything else is a variation of something that previously existed.
An original thought doesn’t have to be the discovery of something.