The best advice I can give: leave the Untied States if you can
lol I have no real skills to offer another country. I am dead.
I am dead.
Then arm yourself and do what you can.
If I bought a gun I would blow by brains within a month.
Um how? Who wants American Refugees?
Some Americans already have dual citizenship and so have other options
the United States does not recognize dual citizenship.
so if you get branded a criminal or terrorist, they’re coming after you. and they will absolutely threaten your second country into extradition if they want you bad enough
im a dual citizen myself but cant get my passports because im trans 🙃 that and broke as hell but still. id get stopped at the border because a guy with a fullass beard with a ‘F’ on their passport is considered fraud.
I know of a trans woman that was successfully able to get their passport recently.
Please stay safe!
Thank you friend. Unfortunately because of how deep red my state and how stupid the UK is with this stuff I’m stuck. Just hunkering down and preparing for the worst.
Move to a border state like Washington, get an enhanced driver license and cross into Canada? EDL functions like a passport for land crossings.
Not sure what sort of federal checks are done for issuing those and if it’s still possible, sorry
Wish I could lol. Broke as shit and I can’t just leave my family behind. Unfortunately to get Real ID I have to provide my citizenship documents but those are in my deadname + birth sex and I can’t get them fixed without a baseline of $1k (have to pay for at least 2 private doctors in the UK to verify I am my chosen gender, plus court fees and 18+ months processing time).
I’m so sorry. And the UK is also increasingly discriminating against trans people too, ugh
The highly-skilled, educated, and non-crazy ones of working age are actually great for other countries’ economies. If you work at a gas station or are crazy, not so much.
I have been unable to convince my spouse despite 9 years of trying. Really sad because we had two good options but chose to stick it out because of family (I say to hell with them but don’t have a veto proof majority there).
Can you put something in place for when things inevitably deteriorate?
If I were you, I’d be applying for visas I think, or maybe just preparing a visa application if it’s too costly to actually apply for one.
First this would never happen because of our laws second he did say that the people he would want to send to these kind of jails wouldbe top of the line criminals And it would cost substantially less to have these criminals in a jail there. Now I’m not saying it’s OK I think if you’re an American that committed a crime in America you should be in an American jail
They are being paid to send people to a death camp, no one is intended to be released from the prison in El Salvador by their own admission. ICE has already sent people there who committed no crime.
if Venezuela would take their own illegal immigrants these people would not be sitting in a jail in El Salvador. Second this jail has made the lives of many El Salvadorans safer. There is a reason why their president was voted in with I want to say 85% of the vote, Now I don’t agree that Americans should ever go to one of these jails if you’re an American that commits a crime in America you should serve your sentence here. But to call these places death camps it seems like you have sympathy for the rapist and murderers that do belong in this place. When this place was first built and they showed the criminals that they were putting in these jails the people of El Salvador were very happy mind you obviously they never expected to have Venezuelan immigrants in there. But what the jail originally stands for and why It was originally built was for a good purpose. I’m not seeing you directly but I’ve seen some people that were trying to compare CECOT to The holocaust which is absolutely insane because the people in this jail are violent people and the people that died in the holocaust were Innocent. And the thing is the last will never win another election again if they keep up with that type of mentality and bullshit mindset
Your defending authoritarian abuse violating our own laws and many international agreements of what basic human rights are. Your ENTIRE opinion is a cold wet shit no one wants. I hope you recive the treatment you claim is ‘‘good reason’’ in every capacity. I’ll gladly live through what I think is fair and lawful, because I know what I support ISN’T A FUCKING CRIME AGAINST BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS!
My opinion is my opinion and I can believe in what I wanna believe that’s the whole beautiful part about living in a country like America that I have the right to say what I believe in. The whole point of these websites are to be able to have a conversation for you to be able to tell me how you feel and why I should feel that way, It’s not for me to come and shit on what you believe or what you think we can agree to disagree that is the whole point of these websites not to call people Nazis in bootlickers just because you don’t agree with them. I’m sorry I have to say this because I hate to stoop to your level but it shows how low your IQ is.
Also the fact that you think you could call me a Nazi when I literally got Banned from Reddit for saying that a Nazi should be punched in the face is just hilarious to me
And how many days have you spent in El Salvador how many times have you visited the country? Because my family is from there and I hold dual citizenship And travel there a lot and trust me the country did a complete 180 Because of the president. But let me guess you would be happier if the gang members were still out in the streets terrorizing innocent people right?
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You do not have a leg to stand on.
Your are just vomiting propaganda. You ought to consider your health more son, cause they amount of bootlicking you’re doing, your going to come down with a case of cherry blossom poisoning.
Dude. He’s already breaking the laws by sending people directly to CECOT. He’s ignoring court orders and the need to get an order of removal for people. They’re arresting people just for speaking Spanish without having a passport on them, like that Puerto Rican family.
If they’re ignoring all the rules for people who can’t pony up citizenship paperwork in time then there’s nothing stopping them from quickly deporting a natural born citizen. Hell, anyone on the street without documents on their person is a valid target under the observed tactics.
They are not being honest with you.
County supervisor Juan Miguel Martinez said “ There has been NO CONFIRMATION that there was a Puerto Rican family picked up by ICE for speaking Spanish outside of Walmart, this story is FALSE. I have been working with Alders and orgs to verify this and nothing has been confirmed.
Remember that when we spread misinformation, we are helping the people that want to destroy us. It isn’t your fault though, misinformation has gotten so sophisticated it is hard to tell what is and is not real. Let’s stay vigilant. Let’s not freak out. Let’s keep working.“
Stop listening and believing things right on the spot, please do your research look into it. Because all you do with stuff like this is spread false information. As soon as I read what you said I looked into it and I couldn’t find nothing to verify it so you are spreading false information
Seems like someone’s not being honest with you actually. I don’t base my opinion off of one thing that I see. I don’t see one new segment from a specific news channel and say yup that’s what I believe. It doesn’t matter if it’s right wing news or left-wing news or non-biased news If I see something I do deeper research into it and then I come to a conclusion. In this case the Puerto Ricans that supposedly got detained by ice for speaking in Spanish is a completely fabricated
I’d believe it all except you leave out any details. Almost like this is a canned response for any allegation of ICE detaining Puerto Ricans. Because to be clear, a simple Google search reveals there are multiple allegations of multiple instances.
No amount of sane washing is going to push this under the rug.
This is literally from the county supervisor from Milwaukee. It’s wild that someone proves a point to you and you don’t wanna believe it just because you wanna Believe what’s already in your head. There is no credible source about this story whatsoever you are literally spreading false information and lies just so people can agree with you.
Due process is the way to prove you’re a US citizen and/or not a criminal. Without it, anyone can be arrested and sent to another country to be killed.
If you don’t stand up for the people around you, who is going to be left to help when they come for you?
These people are illegal immigrants you act like they’re deporting American citizens. And I will state what I said earlier I don’t agree with them sending American citizens to foreign jails if you committed crime in America andyou’re American you should serve your sentence in America
Due process is the way to prove you’re a US citizen and/or not a criminal. Without it, anyone can be arrested and sent to another country to be killed.
They are deporting people without due process.
US citizens have already been deported. US citizens have already been sent to El Salvador prisons with no criminal charges. Due process is not being done.
They could take you next and there is no legal way you could stop them.
You are literally lying. No AMERICAN CITIZEN has been deported to El Salvador, not one. You are literally spreading lies, The guy from Maryland was NOT an American citizen. Stop spreading lies and misinformation because anybody with a brain could literally do their research and find that what you are saying is not true. Please use your brain and Do your due diligence with research before you believe or just say things. Right now at this moment there is not one American citizen sitting in a El Salvadoran jail That was accidentally deported by this administration.
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The thing is, there’s absolutely nothing you can say to justify any of this.
Due process is a right.
Even convicted criminals in prison have rights.
Convicted criminals in prison have certain rights, including protection from cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment, due process rights, and protection from discrimination based on race, sex, or disability. While they do not enjoy all constitutional rights, they are entitled to humane treatment and access to legal processes within the prison system.
This El Salvador concentration camp has none of that. People go there to die.
Again there’s absolutely nothing, not a god damn word you can say to justify this. Think it through.
What do you have to say about Laken Riley? Maybe she would still be alive if the people that were in power at the time didn’t have the mindset that you have. That alone is enough to justify it, President Bukele Said yesterday that when they were interviewing one of the Venezuelan immigrants they asked them a couple questions to vet them and Terrorist illegal immigrant gang member said the last time he got arrested in America was for shooting a cop in the leg, that was his sixth arrest. What do you have to say to justify that? What if that cop had died? Or what about when the Venezuelan gang was terrorizing communities in Colorado making them pay Extortion money. What justifies that? Why should these people be treated the same and have the same rights that you and I have?
He is literally begging to be put down like a rabid animal
In Minecraft.
That new rabid animal mod, in Minecraft.
Fuck you, Trump. Make yourself an enemy to all. We will not back down.
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Oh keep downvoting. and keep talking big game. and keep not even getting up from your desk chair in your computer room/bedroom to do anything other than bathroom/eat.
Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. Now your president is threatening to send your fellow citizens who are democrats to el Salvador prisons to die. in reality. will you post another status? downvote my post? or actually act?
Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. To be fair, we also love to talk about how brave and special big boys we are. We then run around afraid of everything, but I’m sure those two attitudes are not related.
Our national anthem “home of the brave” is hilariously sad. We got attacked once in 2001 and we’ve been shitting all over ourselves ever since.
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Only fascists themselves try this hard to waste our time.
Get fucked, buddy. You’re an asshole. Your opinions are that of an asshole. You’re out here talking to yourself; it’s pathetic. I won’t answer any response you have to this, I’ll just block you.
Espouse your hate all you want; you’ll get the same reaction 100% of the time.
Edit: the dissent to this post you see below is purely fascists trying to waste your time.
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Bro what? I am a French anarcho communist who votes left and never hasnt. Been arrested three times for property damage during Paris protests tho!
You all tho, literally just talk shit. And never do anything. But elect Trump twice.
They do say often how much they want to be like the French protestors while scarfing MacDonald’s. Yet here we are.
What is MacDonald’s? We’re not in Scotland.
and yeah, what leader of mine has concentration camps in el salvador and just said he was sending “home growns” next?
it sure wasnt a french leader.
It rots my ass to see Americans sitting and taking it. Not just that but defending themselves for doing sweet fuck all while yam tits rages. They talk a lot of shit for how fucking docile and subservient they are. It’ll make it all the easier for us to wipe them out when they try take our country by force. My Acadian roots have me prepared for war. I’m an old man but I’m certainly not going to be some fascists pet dog.
that explains your annoying outdated comments. referring to yourself as a extreme opposite of alt-right isnt exactly a flex.
so you are a nazi right winger? okay.
being anti-“that“ is also anti-fascist. i am absolutely anti-fascist. i believe in 1781 your guys got it right.
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What sort of response is this? You yell something and then quickly put you fingers in your ears?
i upvoted you and the french guy that got banned. you’re both right. you bring the energy we need but he does make valid points. the left has been bullied far too much without fighting back over the last 10 years. some criticism is due.
A lot of criticism is due. But I, myself, am not the establishment Democrats. Taking it out on me in a Lemmy echo chamber isnt doing much to help the cause. In fact, it makes me so pissed that everyone is doubling down on generalizations. It just goes to show humans are humans, it doesnt matter what side you are on, hate is always strong.
Most people dont want to live in an opressive society. There is only right and wrong now, not right vs left.
And we’ll keep watching the USA fall. While you do nothing but post comments and downvotes. We’ll be here taking insults from him and defending Ukraine and nato treaties. While you all post, and downvotes. And order ubereats. And work. And voice super angry opinions in comment sections. Keep it up guys!
Lmao. This 🤡
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Look, Idk what I did to you, but I got more going on than just Lemmy. Sorry you dont see Sanctus out there IRL, you wont. I dont look like this.
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Don’t cut yourself on all that edge, kid.
huh? its edgy to suggest you fight in the streets to prevent american citizens being sent to el salvador prisons to die? uh…. in my country thats way past the point of a general strike and riot
I’m curious how far you’d have to march to riot against the rulers of your country?
I suspected about two weeks ago that I would, at some point, be a likely candidate for being sent to CECOT on the basis of daring to be transgender, and this is only more supporting evidence that it’s gonna happen.
Unfortunately you’re absolutely correct to be worried about this. Part of Project 2025 is the criminalization of Transgendered people under the rubric that they are inherently “pornographic”.
Donald Trump is literally, yes, using the correct expression: literally – a homegrown criminal.
If there is no due process & the sentence is death, then Americans must resist arrest at all costs.
Americans are pussies and don’t understand what that means. they think screaming “please don’t” is enough.
so many are going to be sent to their deaths because they were civil about it for far too long.
I feel as though now is the time to resist at all costs.
I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.
Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who has EVERY reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth the entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it would have taken to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to have participated in what might have been America’s last election.
Yeah. I’m fucking angry.
And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen. And part of the reason is that while I’ve seen post after post and meme after meme of even the conservatives questioning their reasoning in voting for that corrupt little felonious mouth-breathing gremlin, I haven’t see even ONE of these third party/non-voters so much as make a peep in the general vicinity of remorse.
If they want to talk about rallying behind a cause- as we see them doing here so many times, they should first start by fessing up and own their shit, because in an adult world, anyone that can admit their mistakes proves they have the honesty, maturity, and humility it takes to deserve trust.
Otherwise- I see no reason to trust them any further than I would a conservative.
You need to ask the same question to your politicians, not voters. If its such a big issue why didnt the democratic party stand for anything? Winning was absolutely on the table, your establish dems didnt want to win either. Thats the problem.
Your dems didnt “help” make this happen, they made it happen arm in arm with right wing extremists. You think just because they call themselves democrats they arent right wing or fascist? America is so far right wing and filled with propaganda the populace cant make sense of it and still think they have a proper opposition party - you dont.
You wanted more people to vote? Just as many would have voted for Trump as well, wow good job.
I can ask the question to both.
But if your only part in keeping fascism out of America is through voting- and you won’t even do that, you’re part of the problem that caused it.
There is no other way this can be.
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So. Your answer is to whine about my comment and offer nothing but ad hominem?
You could have easily just kept scrolling, or even just blocked me…
but wait!
Was there something I’ve said or something I’m doing that bothered you enough to want to complain about it? Do you feel better for having vented your anger and frustrations into words?
Imagine that!
(Oh, and for the record- EVERYONE posts their personal “butthurt” feelings about shit in pretty much every single post on lemmy- even you, genius. Or are you forgetting that modlogs are public?)
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So you’re complaining about my pointing out the fact that someone is complaining about my complaint?
I wonder… how many layers can this have?
No I’m not complaining I’m Stating a fact. If you’re gonna be like this why don’t you just stay on Reddit?
So my stating a fact is complaining, but your complaining is staring a fact?
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96And as I remember, Reddit was full of people that complained a lot about people complaining….
A LOT.
Oh no! Someone who engages instead of downvoting! Imagine that! I must put more emotion into it without addressing anything the person said!! lol I’ve already seen where this is going which is why I figured I would save anyone else the trouble and reply to your constant whining before someone else got sucked in. Thank you for making it clear why you’re doing all this though, you have no other way to express yourself or move on. Good luck with all that, if I run into you in the future I’ll make sure to stick with one reply and watch ya fizzle out. Maybe this all might help you in the long run.
Wait… you want an award because through all your nonsense blathering and personal attacks that weren’t even relevant to any point- you didn’t downvote me?
Well why didn’t you say so, my guy?
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There ya go!
(In fairness, I did’’t notice the .ml, otherwise I’d have given you your little gold star right out of the gate to avoid this disaster of a discussion)
lol defaulting to an instance attack, you’re such a parody.
Anyone can see from our last conversation that even when replying in good faith you just refuse to engage, there is no point in trying to bring any sort of real conversation with you.
Anyone can also see from your modlog, you’ve been crying about voters for months and are still continuing to do so.
idk wtf the award pivot was trying to do or what you’re even trying to say lol. Again, I’m glad I could engage with you so someone else doesn’t have to and possibly thinking you might actually be a real person to have a conversation with. The only reason I’ve gone this far is so people can actually see the links and how you respond. Blocking doesn’t help if it just means someone else has to put up with you instead.
And I stand by my every argument against cutting these clowns slack because they have finally decided that now is the time to stand up against Trump.
They should lie in the bed they fucking made right alongside the rest of us. They don’t get to just blend in with everyone that actually tried to stop this. They need to own it and apologize. And they need to be reminded EVERY FUCKING TIME THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES SHIT LIKE THIS THAT IT IS PARTIALLY THEIR FAULT.
Because if we EVER have another election and we EVER find ourselves here again, they need to know what damage that comes from smug entitlement.
And lastly- I don’t really give a shit that you are upset by this anymore than I’d expect you to give a shit that I’m pissed off about a bunch of childish entitled kids that haven’t a clue about how anything works enough to get off their asses and vote.
Don’t like it? Block me.
But all you’re doing is complaining about complaining. So…. Maybe have a seat in this boat of mine.
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lol you must really not talk to anyone outside of the internet if you think anything you said sounds remotely sane or like you aren’t an entitled child trying to sound smug.
They need to be removed
whatcha mean by that bud? I think you’re getting confused with all your edits.
Buy a gun and if they come for you kill as many as possible
This is where our country is heading
Cops dragged my buddy out of his car and shot him for having his legally owned pistol. How in the fuck are we supposed to resist ICE with guns?
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Your friend was obeying the law, and trying to obey the law. When you aren’t trying to comply and you are fighting for you life, it’s a very different set of actions. No one’s waiting to get dragged out.
i agree with you but if you’re willing to die at that point, why wouldn’t you just take action now to stop that scenario from happening? if we wait till the wolf is at our door, we’ve given the wolf the advantage of initiative. you don’t win wars by waiting for the enemy to strike first.
The CIA has a wonderful piece of training that’s publicly available online called ‘‘simple sabotage’’ I’d highly recommend reading it. Also Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton. Totally unrelated, a lot of campers really like to use a home made fire starter that’s waterproof, there’s a lot of good recipes usually petrol products and shipping materials, very simple. also I’m in a Drone building club at school, it’s not related to this, but it’s a lot of fun.
Or by saying “when it happens to me or my family”. How fucking self centered. That’s what got you in this fucking mess.
yep. american individualism is a denial of the very basics of humanity: we are social creatures. we got to the top of the food chain through cooperation, not by being the most alpha of lone wolves.
This is the correct approch. I can’t stress this enough, when it costs ICE their lives, and the headlines are “12 citizen killed by ICE” then people will stop sitting on their hands like this is nothing. Don’t let them put you in a ghetto, don’t let them put you in a labor camp or a death camp, CALL THEIR HAND EVERY TIME, If you let them take you, you’re dead anyway.
Yup.
I am anti-gun and always have been and still believe a nation with more guns is going to have more death and generally be less safe.
But it is absolutely time to arm yourself.
I would go absolutely feral. Ripping their throats out with my teeth and snapping any small bone I can grab.
This goes for anyone being kidnapped in my general vicinity as well. If I see that shit, it turns out that that is a good day to die. I will do it with glee.
Watch me laugh with their blood running down my face.
Do it. Force the issue. Hang in the immigrant communities. Meet the people. Teach them what you would do, help them arm themselves and prepare. Then fight with everything you have. They’re not coming for you specifically just yet, but it’s only a matter of time.
This is the way, this is real shit. I too would go absolutely animal for my loved ones and myself, go berserk.
buy a gun
Yes you reading this. Even if you’re white.
Arm yourself.
Only if your white; blacks and browns will be gunned down even if they have a stick or nothing.
If they’re gonna claim you have a gun and shoot you either way - you’d might as well have a gun.
So why not have a gun??
Better idea would be to move around in a group of 5-10 people as you would in any third world country, or in Trump’s words shithole country.
Oh yeah, so the 5-10 people can be declared a gang who were attacking police after they are mowed down defenseless.
There are a shit ton more than 5–10 police a radio call away. You’re still outnumbered and defenseless.
Yes, a group of any number of people will be out numbered. A single armed person is a casualty, a group of unarmed people not willing to let illegal kidnapping from happening are much more effective.
The history has shown that all the kidnapped people have been kidnapped when they were alone.
This reads like you’re telling brown people not to buy guns. Is that what you’re trying to say?
I am saying USA is white colony pretending to be a country where anyone who is not white has no right.
And organize, they can and do pick out people who are alone, as they are cowards. If there are 10 of you walking, armed, they are less likely to fuck around
The first people that die in a war are typically women and children. Usually because the competing militaries don’t issue them guns.
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Getting a gun is as easy as going to fucking Walmart and having them order you something from the warehouse you have to pickup a week later.
How is it hard to get a gun in America? What the fuck??? lmaooo
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California?
I think you have to wait for the sun to set and rise like half a dozen times before you can pew pew
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Yes, a BG and a waiting period. That’s all. Also you’re always 2-4 hours from NV where you don’t have to wait and if you buy 3rd party in NV, your in Ghost Town, baby!
“much harder to buy a gun.”
Buddy I won one at a fucking raffle no questions asked.
That’s not legal in any state.
I used to run gun raffles, and the way they actually worked is the organization doing the raffle would partner with an FFL, and what they actually won was a gift card redeemable for the exact value of the gun. That gift card would be used for the winner to purchase a firearm, including a NICS check.
There isn’t a single state in which the barrier to owning a gun is more difficult than a background check and a waiting period. I’d recommend a glock 9 for reliably and performance. Good luck, and good hunting.
New York
Pretty easy to get a gun unless you’re a felon.
Stop spreading misinformation.
We only need the guns because dumbfuck conservatives ushered in American fascism.
3rd pary sales don’t require any information exchange. Meet some one in Cabella’s looking at a new hunting rifle they want? Maybe they’ll sell you a gun at their place for the price of a new rifle. It’s the wild west man. If they cared there wouldn’t be a loop hole you can drive a dump trunk dragging 100 rusty bikes through.
ie, your fucked, but at least you can murder people on your way out
Right wing ideologies are based on fear, they’re all cowards deep down.
If enough of them die kicking in doors they’ll stop.
They have proven that if you comply at best, you will be denied rights, beaten, in a labor or death camp, and likely dead.
If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.
I’m only joking a little.
I started carrying again. “Feared for my life” will ring very true with real consequences.
Same, I used to just carry in my neighborhood while walking my dog but I’m daily carry now.
-Gun toting democrat
He’s openly defying the court that handed him powers of an emperor. What else ya gonna do?
Emperor status doesn’t stop bullets
“… People think they are smarter than me… Maybe… Maybe. But I have yet to find somebody who can outsmart bullet.” - Heavy (TF2)
Would some sort of “Ruby Ridge” stand off be enough to get this to stop?
It won’t end until the US finishes southern reconstruction
Even during the fucking war the Union would let men off scot free if they’d pinky swear to go home and stay home. (And often they didn’t!)
If we had done anything about Jan 6…
If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.
I’m only joking a little.I’m pretty sure people have a theoretical right to protect themselves from illegal kidnappings regardless of who’s doing the illegal kidnapping. Either way, I don’t think a stance on protecting one’s self from kidnapping is that edgy or controversial of a stance as your comment seems to imply it is.
Hell, at this point if you’re non-white or an any-race non-Trump supporter. You’re the enemy and a criminal if you’ve ever spoken out against the administration, Israel, or for equal rights, etc.
To that I say: come at me assholes
I’m a standard-issue white dude, I know my voice will be heard, so I speak out against this bullshit whenever and wherever I can.
This. White people need to be as loud as possible right now. The more pushback the more we can help protect the most vulnerable.
Time to buy a gun. The left needs to arm themselves fuckin’ yesterday.
Don’t think that they won’t come for you. The law is powerless to protect you from having your rights trampled on under this administration. All it takes is for King Trump to declare you a gang member and they have carte blanche authority to disappear you off the street.
Was yesterday too late? I feel like one person having a gun hasn’t been able to do anything meaningful with it for a long time. Except maybe defend themselves from a dumb home invader.
The point is there are only so many ICE goons out there. If every person they tried to disappear took one of the bastards with them, this would end pretty damn quick.
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Maybe. Maybe not. The bystander effect is real. And they have something to lose. If I’m being disappeared off to a death camp somewhere, I literally have nothing to lose.
I’m really torn on this. As a trans person, I’m a member of one of the groups most targeted by the regime. I’ve wanted nothing to do with firearms in the past, because frankly, I’ve dealt with a lot of depression at times in my life. Never enough to have any attempts, but enough to really give me pause about owning a weapon. The only weapons I want to own are fantasy props I make in my wood shop. I’m the exact opposite of a violent person. I am an educator; my greatest joy in life is when I can see my lessons spark the light of knowledge in others. Truthfully, I want nothing to do with firearms.
But this environment really makes me wonder. I would honestly rather die than be shipped off to be raped to death in some hellhole in El Salvadore. I would not survive long in a place like that.
I am very conflicted on this. Fuck this world. These are the kinds of choices no one should ever have to make. The world has gone mad.
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I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.
Unfortunately, the dudes probably dead already. Happened to that American student years ago in South Korea too. He was on a trip and got sentenced to a slave camp for “defacing a poster” if I recall, and as the family was fighting for his release, oops he’s in a body bag now. At least they sent his body back for the family.
Assuming you mean North Korea, and yeah, probably dead.
20k/year. TL;DR, it’s also making the country poorer, so no financial benefits whatsoever. It’s just pure spite and hatred…and for what?
At least Nazis made soap from them, and made them work. At least they had the excuse of needing land, improving the species.
Trump is just THEY BROWN, BROWN = CRIMINAL, CRIMINAL = EVIL!
if things get any shittier, this administration is going to have to stop people at the border in the opposite direction
I wonder how shitty this administration will have to get before enough people get motivated to take some significant action to stop it?
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Unlikely to start with me since I have no intention to travel to the US.
I hope you guys can fix your country before it gets too far gone.
We’ll be the new East Germany.
I wonder how long before states start considering secession again.
The sooner Blue States leave the Conservative Centipede, the better. I don’t view conservatives to be fellow Americans anymore.
Same.
If you vote for a felon rapist traitor who sent a mob to stop the peaceful transfer of power, illegally attempted to overturn an election, already had a failed presidency, and is now enacting a fascist agenda that’s deporting American citizens to foreign prisons, I do not consider you an American anymore. You are an enemy of everything it is to be American. Primarily and functionally, the Constitution.
Too many lines have been crossed. It’s time to start calling conservative voters what they are. Enemies. Because this far into this, there are no more excuses. Ignorance is not an excuse anymore.
Maybe 4 years of this insanity is the wakeup people need
As someone who’s been around long enough I can tell you it absolutely won’t be for conservatives. They never learn. Ever.
The most you can possibly get out of them is some light verbal disapproval of someone on their team, typically if it involves their wallets taking a hit. But when the time comes, they will ALWAYS vote to keep their team in power, no matter how vile and/or criminal they are.
We already had 4 years of Trump. It sucked that time and it wasn’t enough to convince nearly half of Americans
Yup.
Teams are more important than America now.
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They refuse to bring Garcia back because hes dead. CECOT is an extermination camp. Complete with giant pool of blood. It’s a prison that never fills up.
We are no longer in some hypothetical what if state in regards to fascism. The President is sending people to death camps and as conservative as this SCOTUS is it ruled 9 to 0 ordering Trump to return Garcia. They refused to do so.
Buy a gun.
they dont want him back, because it satiates the rabid racists/and evangelicals, its perfomative politics.
If he came back he’s gonna hurt Chump real bad with appearances on every news network (but Fox) and talk show detailing.his experience.
They won’t stop unless someone makes them stop. That’s how movements like this work, every single time. They never wind down on their own. They have to constantly keep increasing the cruelty and extremism, or else their base will see weakness and abandon them. However bad you think it is now, it’s only going to get worse, unless someone puts an end to it. Historically, there are only a few ways a fascist movement has ever been stopped, and none of them are pretty.
when you put it like that
I guess its a good thing the police havent been militarizing, and filling their roster full of violent trigger happy assholes who radicalized themselves into thinking they’re the thin blue line between civilization and savagery,
Are you suggesting that people just lie down and take it?
No, Im saying things are so far gone that violence is looking inevitable. and that the men of power are already well prepared to commit mass violence to protest their way of life by way of bloodthirsty “police” and private security on the payroll.
It’s not going to get better until and unless citizens take the initiative to reclaim their country.
There should never and will never be a point at which the police and military actually have control over the American population. Our population is one of the most violent on earth. We birthed those psychotic police officers. We made them. There’s no reason for them to scare us more than anyone else does.
They only pretend to have control. Anyone with half an iota of brainpower and understanding of numbers and revolt knows there’s only one thing to fear in this country and it’s the general population.
The cleanest way this can possibly end now is with the cult leader being removed…one way or another. Assuming the cult collapses afterward and doesn’t just attach itself to some other scumfuck that immediately steps up to fill the void.
The optimistic side of me believes this can happen. MAGA has tied themselves and their movement very tightly to Trump. Not to conservatism in general, not to any kind of policy in specific, but to the unique personality of Trump. They tried with DeSantis, and he flamed out hard. They’re trying with Vance, but he’s such an awkward goof that it’ll never work.
I don’t think the MAGA virus can survive in another host, and I think that’s why they are trying to rush into full on Fascism while Trump is still around. Once he’s gone, the Republican party is going to eat itself in the power vacuum.
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Yea, I have always thought about the future scenario. When they get tired of picking on the immigrant, they’ll turn to citizens. Really crazy and scary thought to even have to consider.
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Generally, things chug along getting worse and worse, until suddenly we reach a tipping point. Then something happens, often small and innocuous, and it tips. Then there’s no stopping it.
The Berlin Wall came down when a single guard decided on his own that he wasn’t going to stop the growing crowd that appeared after an East German government official accidentally declared at a press conference that they would finally allow emigration, following increasingly large protests. When the world woke up that morning, NOBODY knew this would happen that day. Not a single intelligence agency anywhere on the planet predicted it. It totally surprised the entire world.
Its likely that protests and outrage in America will grow, even among disgruntled MAGAs, and one day, its just going explode, probably over something fairly small. The fuse has already been lit.
We don’t have 28 years for things to boil over. Could you even imagine what would be left of the country by then?
This is the outcome I hope for. The other possibilities are a lot more messy.
