• aramis87
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    We’ve already seen the creep: first it was violent illegal immigrants, then it was any illegal immigrants, then it was immigrants waiting for due process on their case, then it was green card holders - not necessarily a lot of them, but enough to establish precedents and see how far they can get.

    Now they’re saying “violent US citizen-criminals” - but they run the state that determines whether you’re a criminal and how violent your crimes was. Remember all those videos of non-resisting people being screened at by the cops “Stop resisting!”; remember bills in Florida and other states to label trans people sex offenders - that’s what we’re up against. Any resistance or non-conformity can and likely will be punished.

    "First they came for … "

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      Also worth mentioning that they’ve only been snatching people off the street, meaning people who didn’t have any active warrants. If they did have warrants, they probably would have been arrested already. They’re not deporting people who are already in prison. At this point, “criminal” means anyone suspected of a crime, and that suspicion extends to any kind of criminal record, even if you’ve already served time.

      Obviously, they’re going to drop the “criminal” pretense soon enough, but they will start grabbing ex-felons first. I’m terrified for members of my family who absolutely fit the description of these kinds of targets: ex-felons with tattoos who look vaguely brown.

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        Literally just having a tattoo–even without having any criminal history–is enough to be sent to the gulag.

    • Match!!
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      they’re even inventing new language for it: “homegrowns”

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        I think it’s not new. “homegrown terrorist” -> “homegrowns”.

        I’m speculating they’re going to use that angle. Using precedents set by The War on Terrorism ™ to justify the next steps. The 50501 movement needs to be preparing organized legal supports for anyone who gets disappeared. I bet this is who they are going after next. Summer is coming. The protests are ramping up. What if it’s as soon as the April 19th event.

      • @[email protected]
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        This is Lemmy, not Reddit. You can say Luigi Mangione. I’d say that would be my last straw but I’ve long since broken. I just don’t have direction.

    • @[email protected]
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      And we’ll keep watching the USA fall. While you do nothing but post comments and downvotes. We’ll be here taking insults from him and defending Ukraine and nato treaties. While you all post, and downvotes. And order ubereats. And work. And voice super angry opinions in comment sections. Keep it up guys!

    • @[email protected]
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      i upvoted you and the french guy that got banned. you’re both right. you bring the energy we need but he does make valid points. the left has been bullied far too much without fighting back over the last 10 years. some criticism is due.

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        A lot of criticism is due. But I, myself, am not the establishment Democrats. Taking it out on me in a Lemmy echo chamber isnt doing much to help the cause. In fact, it makes me so pissed that everyone is doubling down on generalizations. It just goes to show humans are humans, it doesnt matter what side you are on, hate is always strong.

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          Most people dont want to live in an opressive society. There is only right and wrong now, not right vs left.

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        Oh keep downvoting. and keep talking big game. and keep not even getting up from your desk chair in your computer room/bedroom to do anything other than bathroom/eat.

        Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. Now your president is threatening to send your fellow citizens who are democrats to el Salvador prisons to die. in reality. will you post another status? downvote my post? or actually act?

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          Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. To be fair, we also love to talk about how brave and special big boys we are. We then run around afraid of everything, but I’m sure those two attitudes are not related.

          Our national anthem “home of the brave” is hilariously sad. We got attacked once in 2001 and we’ve been shitting all over ourselves ever since.

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            people still get up in arms when you diminish 9/11. Not “dark humor” joking. Just calling it out as an insignificant event… especially in the context of Palestine or even USA COVID-19 deaths. “But muh towers”

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          Only fascists themselves try this hard to waste our time.

          Get fucked, buddy. You’re an asshole. Your opinions are that of an asshole. You’re out here talking to yourself; it’s pathetic. I won’t answer any response you have to this, I’ll just block you.

          Espouse your hate all you want; you’ll get the same reaction 100% of the time.

          Edit: the dissent to this post you see below is purely fascists trying to waste your time.

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            Bro what? I am a French anarcho communist who votes left and never hasnt. Been arrested three times for property damage during Paris protests tho!

            You all tho, literally just talk shit. And never do anything. But elect Trump twice.

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              They do say often how much they want to be like the French protestors while scarfing MacDonald’s. Yet here we are.

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                What is MacDonald’s? We’re not in Scotland.

                and yeah, what leader of mine has concentration camps in el salvador and just said he was sending “home growns” next?

                it sure wasnt a french leader.

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                  It rots my ass to see Americans sitting and taking it. Not just that but defending themselves for doing sweet fuck all while yam tits rages. They talk a lot of shit for how fucking docile and subservient they are. It’ll make it all the easier for us to wipe them out when they try take our country by force. My Acadian roots have me prepared for war. I’m an old man but I’m certainly not going to be some fascists pet dog.

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              that explains your annoying outdated comments. referring to yourself as a extreme opposite of alt-right isnt exactly a flex.

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                so you are a nazi right winger? okay.

                being anti-“that“ is also anti-fascist. i am absolutely anti-fascist. i believe in 1781 your guys got it right.

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            What sort of response is this? You yell something and then quickly put you fingers in your ears?

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    Feel like I’ve been saying this a lot recently, but it’s pertinent:

    Camp Auschwitz was in Poland, not Germany.

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        I’m a firm believer that if we only accepted art based on the morality of the artist, the whole world would be a bleak shade of grey.

        Gotta separate the two. You can say “X was an incredible artist and I appreciate their work, but holy shit were they a terrible human.”

        We can acknowledge the spectrum of the human and let the good parts into the world and still shun the bad.

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          I would argue that it is not ethically possible to separate art from artist when consumption of their art can provide them any material benefit. If they’re dead, it’s a lot less likely to be problematic. Plus, there are plenty of great artists and writers out there who are not TERFs, nazis, or generally awful. Refusing them patronage is a double ethical failing of both lending aid to awful people and refusing to support smaller artists who have a harder time making a living when competing with the ethically bankrupt.

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          I think that’s an easier argument to make with someone who is dead, like H.P. Lovecraft. It’s a different story when the artist is still alive and actively profiting off the work you are consuming.

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              At this point there’s really no need to anyway. Plenty of works nowadays that capture the spirit of the sort of cosmic horror he wrote about without the atrocious xenophobia, or at least touch on the topic in ways that deconstruct and/or scrutinize those views in a much healthier and compelling way.

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    Media keeps saying “criminal.” Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.

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      People forget that all the people the Nazi’s put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.

      No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said “Yeah, I put innocent people in jail”.

      This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.

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        Oddly enough, Trump’s DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can’t get him back.

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            What the courts say only matters if it’s enforced. We need daily fines, removal from power, or even imprisonment as a punishment for this.

            Remember, these are republicans, which are mostly (self proclaimed) “Christians.” These “Christians” need religion to tell them they will be punished for sinning because simply helping your fellow man is not a good enough “reward” for them. Everything is transactional.

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          They also didn’t say he was innocent, the opposite actually. The official narrative is that he’s super guilty of a million crimes, he was just “administratively” deported incorrectly, however the deportation is still serendipitous and deserved.

          Obviously, he’s innocent. That’s clear for anyone except the most die-hard MAGA cultist. So, like, the average FOX viewer

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        Surely if presidents are able to appoint supreme court justices, there has never been separation of powers? And is that not a big part of why we’re in this mess now?

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          You also need the Senate, not just the president.

          But Republican senators have abdicated their duties and voters have not replaced them.

          That’s why we have this mess.

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      Paragraph 175 of the German code made homosexuality illegal. It had already been illegal under Weimer and the Reich before, with varying degrees of enforcement. The Nazis strengthened it, started going after even non penetrative sex.

      Pink triangle prisoners were among the lowest of the low, similar to Jews. The goal was to work them to death, in the brick works. Theres a lot of horrific fucked up sexual sadism when you read these accounts. (Having sex with a man is only gay if you love him, I guess)

      Then, when the camps were liberated:

      The American policy toward gay inmates in the US-controlled zone of occupation was based on the Handbook for Military Government in Germany Prior to Defeat or Surrender, which was compiled by the Combined Chiefs of Staff of the US Military in 1944. Part of the Handbook was dedicated specifically to directing American troops how to classify and handle the large number of concentration camp survivors. The policy for those interned based on criminal actions stated, “Ordinary criminals with a prison sentence still to serve will be transferred to civil prisons.” Since many pink triangle prisoners had been convicted of violating Paragraph 175, a law of the German Criminal Code that predated the Nazi regime, the Americans also classified them as criminals. Therefore, those who had not finished serving their sentence were often transferred to prisons.

      Homosexuality remained illegal in West Germany until the 70s. This also meant that there weren’t even accounts of the things that happened in those camps, because the social stigma didn’t go away…

  • @[email protected]
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    My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we’re heading?

    • @[email protected]
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      form collectives where you can. establish secure forms of communication. engage online only to rally others. train.

  • @[email protected]
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    They won’t stop unless someone makes them stop. That’s how movements like this work, every single time. They never wind down on their own. They have to constantly keep increasing the cruelty and extremism, or else their base will see weakness and abandon them. However bad you think it is now, it’s only going to get worse, unless someone puts an end to it. Historically, there are only a few ways a fascist movement has ever been stopped, and none of them are pretty.

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      Generally, things chug along getting worse and worse, until suddenly we reach a tipping point. Then something happens, often small and innocuous, and it tips. Then there’s no stopping it.

      The Berlin Wall came down when a single guard decided on his own that he wasn’t going to stop the growing crowd that appeared after an East German government official accidentally declared at a press conference that they would finally allow emigration, following increasingly large protests. When the world woke up that morning, NOBODY knew this would happen that day. Not a single intelligence agency anywhere on the planet predicted it. It totally surprised the entire world.

      Its likely that protests and outrage in America will grow, even among disgruntled MAGAs, and one day, its just going explode, probably over something fairly small. The fuse has already been lit.

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        We don’t have 28 years for things to boil over. Could you even imagine what would be left of the country by then?

    • @[email protected]
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      Yea, I have always thought about the future scenario. When they get tired of picking on the immigrant, they’ll turn to citizens. Really crazy and scary thought to even have to consider.

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      when you put it like that

      I guess its a good thing the police havent been militarizing, and filling their roster full of violent trigger happy assholes who radicalized themselves into thinking they’re the thin blue line between civilization and savagery,

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        There should never and will never be a point at which the police and military actually have control over the American population. Our population is one of the most violent on earth. We birthed those psychotic police officers. We made them. There’s no reason for them to scare us more than anyone else does.

        They only pretend to have control. Anyone with half an iota of brainpower and understanding of numbers and revolt knows there’s only one thing to fear in this country and it’s the general population.

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          No, Im saying things are so far gone that violence is looking inevitable. and that the men of power are already well prepared to commit mass violence to protest their way of life by way of bloodthirsty “police” and private security on the payroll.

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            It’s not going to get better until and unless citizens take the initiative to reclaim their country.

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      The cleanest way this can possibly end now is with the cult leader being removed…one way or another. Assuming the cult collapses afterward and doesn’t just attach itself to some other scumfuck that immediately steps up to fill the void.

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        Vance and Musk need to be taken out as well. I don’t think MAGA would last long without a leader, but as stupid as WE think Vance/Musk are, remember we also see Trump as a lying con-man, and MAGA supporters rally around him.

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        The optimistic side of me believes this can happen. MAGA has tied themselves and their movement very tightly to Trump. Not to conservatism in general, not to any kind of policy in specific, but to the unique personality of Trump. They tried with DeSantis, and he flamed out hard. They’re trying with Vance, but he’s such an awkward goof that it’ll never work.

        I don’t think the MAGA virus can survive in another host, and I think that’s why they are trying to rush into full on Fascism while Trump is still around. Once he’s gone, the Republican party is going to eat itself in the power vacuum.

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    if things get any shittier, this administration is going to have to stop people at the border in the opposite direction

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      We’ll be the new East Germany.

      I wonder how long before states start considering secession again.

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        The sooner Blue States leave the Conservative Centipede, the better. I don’t view conservatives to be fellow Americans anymore.

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            We already had 4 years of Trump. It sucked that time and it wasn’t enough to convince nearly half of Americans

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            As someone who’s been around long enough I can tell you it absolutely won’t be for conservatives. They never learn. Ever.

            The most you can possibly get out of them is some light verbal disapproval of someone on their team, typically if it involves their wallets taking a hit. But when the time comes, they will ALWAYS vote to keep their team in power, no matter how vile and/or criminal they are.

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          Same.

          If you vote for a felon rapist traitor who sent a mob to stop the peaceful transfer of power, illegally attempted to overturn an election, already had a failed presidency, and is now enacting a fascist agenda that’s deporting American citizens to foreign prisons, I do not consider you an American anymore. You are an enemy of everything it is to be American. Primarily and functionally, the Constitution.

          Too many lines have been crossed. It’s time to start calling conservative voters what they are. Enemies. Because this far into this, there are no more excuses. Ignorance is not an excuse anymore.

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      I wonder how shitty this administration will have to get before enough people get motivated to take some significant action to stop it?

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          Unlikely to start with me since I have no intention to travel to the US.

          I hope you guys can fix your country before it gets too far gone.

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      Already looked at emigration. I’m sure doctors and scientists and researchers are leaving in droves, but for the average person it’s quite difficult until there is some amnesty policy.

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    This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.

    Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.

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      Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn’t the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.

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        I bet when “ice” agents start meeting resistance in the form of 9mm and .45 it will make some changes.

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            I’m white but I hate their ideologies, their hatred for non white, immigrants, healthcare, basic decency. Fuck them. I wouldn’t be surprised if I were targeted eventually

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        Not at all, it was a compromise between counting slaves as ‘population’ and not people, so the south wasn’t totally devoid of population numbers big enough to matter. Considering Jefferson and Washington were proud southern slave owners and set the standards for the country legally and traditionally, it’s hardly a surprise this is still being done when the whole point was treating people like cattle and also giving their humanity to their masters as political power.

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          You’re thinking of the 3/5ths compromise, which is a separate though related thing to the Electoral College.

          The EC tended to favor non-plantation slavery states (only Maine and Massachusetts had zero slaves at the time, though several others were close to zero). Virginia was by far the biggest state by population, and it had tons of slaves. Without counting its slave population, it would still have been the largest. The Electoral College, at least at the time, favored small, relatively slave-free states like Rhode Island and Vermont. The 3/5ths compromise does give some extra power to the larger slave states in the EC by way of added population, but not proportionate to what small states get out of it.

          Federalist 68 gives the official reasoning behind the EC:

          Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.

          Another and no less important desideratum was, that the Executive should be independent for his continuance in office on all but the people themselves. He might otherwise be tempted to sacrifice his duty to his complaisance for those whose favor was necessary to the duration of his official consequence. This advantage will also be secured, by making his re-election to depend on a special body of representatives, deputed by the society for the single purpose of making the important choice.

          In other words, the EC existed precisely to stop someone like Donald Trump from taking office. Or more accurately, stopping a populist, corrupt nitwit was the reason it was justified to the American people at the time. Back then, they were trying to head off criticism of democracy from supporters of constitutional monarchy. That is, democracy would be vulnerable to takeover by a populist, corrupt nitwit.

          Obviously, it has failed at its one job. That doesn’t mean democracy itself is vulnerable. On the contrary, the EC is a specifically anti-democratic concept that has been abused by exactly the sort of populist, corrupt nitwit it was supposed to guard against.

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      when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I’ll do is take some nazis with me.

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        Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.

        You’ll have to flee immediately after, because they’ll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.

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          They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.

          I would be willing to bet that a significant portion of them spend their workdays at half-mast just hoping for someone to resist with a weapon so they can execute them. They may be more prepared than you think.

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        I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won’t raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you’re dead anyway. ‘‘ICE kills US citizen’’ is a much stronger headline than ‘‘Trump says he will do this to citizens’’ additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ‘‘just following orders’’ includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.

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          This is important to remember

          Take down the Nazis with you because you have no choice or hope. You can’t reason with them

          They will deface you and disappear you. They will say you work for MS-13, that you’re a child pedophile, they will craft and manufacture evidence and they will disappear you to the concentration camps. They’ve already done this, they’re just going to continue

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            It won’t hold up

            Fascists have full support of the government to send everyone to concentration camps with no due process

            Stand your ground isn’t going to do shit. And every conservative will suck the government dick

            The government will make shit up like that have. That will say you worked for MS13 like that have been

            Or say you are a pedophile. Nobody will defend you even liberals. And then it is your word against their and truth doesn’t matter. They’ll proceed anyway and kill you

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        As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.

        May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don’t you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.

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          Exactly this. The fear of torture to death would make me fight back when they bust in. This reminds me to start carrying and leaving easy access to the shotgun at home

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            Ever snuck around the house because you knew your significant other or kid couldnt possibly be home at that time, but your significant other had changed their plans and come home unscheduled? I’d sure feel safer with a shotgun in my hands in that situation, I’ll tell you what.

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        Absolutely true. They will also make shit up and deface your name anyways.

        Even if you were found innocent and released, the entire world would believe the US government and the US government would call you MS-13 or pedophile

        They wouldn’t correct that mistake. And you would be hard to even find a job, plus you would probably have cultists coming to kill you

        That is if they’d still don’t just send you to the concentration camps and have you murdered like they have done so far

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        Group up with others of the same opinion and go hang at some brown people’s houses. Don’t wait. Force the issue.

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            You need the people to come together. However that happens for you. Go eat with some folks you don’t know from minority communities. The internet tells me Americans eat out a lot. Go to ethnic restaurants. Meet their families. Offer to help them buy guns to defend themselves. Defend them yourself openly and without shame. Put your own comfort in jeopardy for someone you don’t know.

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      I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn’t enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it’s still working.

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        Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house

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        non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don’t wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things ‘really’ got worse. By then it’s always too late. They’re planning accordingly.

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          Trump has learned that people will allow him to keep crossing over their “red line” and will draw an new red line. He’s been doing it for years. Now Americans are saying he can throw out the Constitution, so long as they aren’t yet personally impacted, but they will react at some future point when he gets even worse, maybe.

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        Why doesn’t the successful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia without due process rise to this level for you? It’s true he wasn’t a US citizen, but he did have a protected status that let him live and work legally in the US. And given that he was deported without due process, but simply by “administrative error,” there was no point at which he was given the opportunity to bring up his legal status. That is, the thing that would be different if they tried to do this to a citizen is that they would have successfully done it to a citizen. Presumably the courts would order them to bring the citizen back, but they’ve already done that with Abrego Garcia, and the administration isn’t complying.

        If that’s your bright line, maybe check out the boot that’s straddling it.

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          My main criteria is can we fix it.

          If a Democrat wins in 2028, we can hypothetically fix immigration policy, tariffs, and all the rest with enough popular support. In fact now that the far right has shown themselves to be a clown show, maybe that phase of America’s maturation may finally be ending. We might even bring Abrego Garcia himself back.

          But if we deport citizens - who can vote and participate in democracy - that puts the thumb on the scale. It makes permanent fascism like in Russia more likely. And it’s worth dying to avoid that permanent fate. But if it’s temporary, it just doesn’t rise to that level.

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    I suspected about two weeks ago that I would, at some point, be a likely candidate for being sent to CECOT on the basis of daring to be transgender, and this is only more supporting evidence that it’s gonna happen.

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      Unfortunately you’re absolutely correct to be worried about this. Part of Project 2025 is the criminalization of Transgendered people under the rubric that they are inherently “pornographic”.

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    If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.

    I’m only joking a little.

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      If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.

      I’m only joking a little.

      I’m pretty sure people have a theoretical right to protect themselves from illegal kidnappings regardless of who’s doing the illegal kidnapping. Either way, I don’t think a stance on protecting one’s self from kidnapping is that edgy or controversial of a stance as your comment seems to imply it is.

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      I started carrying again. “Feared for my life” will ring very true with real consequences.

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        Same, I used to just carry in my neighborhood while walking my dog but I’m daily carry now.

        -Gun toting democrat

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              “… People think they are smarter than me… Maybe… Maybe. But I have yet to find somebody who can outsmart bullet.” - Heavy (TF2)

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      Hell, at this point if you’re non-white or an any-race non-Trump supporter. You’re the enemy and a criminal if you’ve ever spoken out against the administration, Israel, or for equal rights, etc.

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        To that I say: come at me assholes

        I’m a standard-issue white dude, I know my voice will be heard, so I speak out against this bullshit whenever and wherever I can.

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          This. White people need to be as loud as possible right now. The more pushback the more we can help protect the most vulnerable.

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          Even during the fucking war the Union would let men off scot free if they’d pinky swear to go home and stay home. (And often they didn’t!)

          If we had done anything about Jan 6…