• @[email protected]
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    Honestly I didn’t even realize until now how good the cropping is on lemmy compared to redd*t. holy shit the number of memes that came from screenshots of twitter screenshotted on insta screenshotted on whatever the fuck but this one was profile.

    • g0d0fm15ch13f
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      I mean honestly though, I’m kinda here for that. It’s essentially teleportation at that point.

        • @[email protected]
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          There’s sci-fi show (I think it’s “Foundation”) where passengers have to be sedated for their high-speed space travel. Not teleportation, but I think it’s approaching light speed.

          Some alien race can handle it, so they are used as pilots and crew of the ships.

    • @[email protected]
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      325 days ago

      Lowest common denominator…capitalism in crisis. It’s not a joke, man. If they can get away with it, they will.

  • Sundray
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    627 days ago

    For a second I thought “Low quality cropping” was a new c/ being announced.

  • @[email protected]
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    These standing seats have been coming next year for the past decade, but they always failed safety tests. Planes need to be evacuated within a certain time frame, which does not work when the plane is too densely packed.

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        Pilots were asked about the problem and one said “I sen guards to the exits to help with the evacuation.”

    • @[email protected]
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      Did the stronger younger people try pushing the frail and children out of the way during these safety tests? Because I feel like the plane world empty quickly in that scenario

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        “Do you feel capable of opening the exit in case of an emergency?”
        – Yes.
        “Do you feel capable of throwing the old woman behind you of of the window in case of an emergency?”
        – What?
        “Do you know how to punch someone unconscious if they fall to hysteria in case of an emergency?”
        – I would like to leave the plane now.

    • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
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      I think we should relax rules on how quickly it is to evaluate a plane, and focus more on keeping the plane in the sky. (looking at you Boeing)

      I’d love sleeping pods or bunk beds on a plane and accept the higher risk of not being able to get out quickly.

      Cars and probably even train are infinitely more dangerous and we accept those risks every day.

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        And if we are making rules about exiting a plane it should apply to when the plane lands normally. There is absolutely no reason it takes 30+ mints to get the fuck off the plane once we’ve arrived at the gate

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          That would mean getting rid of carry-on and deploying emergency chutes every time which costs 10s of thousands to replace each time and grounds the plane for weeks. Makes sense.

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        There is no legitimate reason why trains or cars should be more dangerous modes of transport than flights. It is just that the lobbies for cars and capitalist train operations successfully desensitized everyone to it, so “deadly car crash” is just shrugged away. In the US we see similar attempts to make planes less safe and just accept the numbers of people killed in preventable events.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝
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          IDK about trains, but the problem with cars is that we let people operate them with minimal training and practically no oversight. You see shit on roads daily where if the driver was flying a plane, they wouldn’t even be let on as a passenger anymore ever.

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            We could increase the training requirements and oversight. We could design road-networks in a way that makes speeding more difficult and enact stricter speed limits.

            Whenever these measures are taking in an area they greatly reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured.

            • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝
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              We could increase the training requirements and oversight.

              I wish.

              And who’s going to tell all those people that they are not going to drive again, ever? In pilot training, even showing signs of bravado or machismo is grounds for getting failed. The problem is that if you do that those people will go and vote you out, especially in this climate.

              One of the main campaign promises of the idiot who got the most votes in the last Dutch election was to put the speed limits back to 130 kmh from the reduced 100 kmh on motorways. People like to be dumb.

              BTW it would take minimal effort to enforce highway speed limits with cameras checking entry and exit times and distances. In some places with road tolls, it wouldn’t even need any more data collection. A single SQL query would return all those people doing 100 kmh over on the motorways. Wonder why outside of a few outliers, nobody does it.

                • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝
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                  We are not talking about the inherent danger of driving, but the danger caused by people either physically or psychologically unfit to drive. The problem is not highways with speed limits of 130 kmh, but the people driving 240 on them, or the people driving drunk, running red lights, etc.

                  And as SUV sales show, most people are not comfortable with higher death rates for themselves, but are okay with endangering others. Ironically though, SUVs are more dangerous for their drivers as well, so apparently people are going for a perception of safety rather than actual safety even for themselves.

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                One big reason why mass transit is and always will be (part of) the correct answer: Don’t have to fear taking away peoples’ privelege to drive if transit it there to get them around afterward.

          • @[email protected]
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            I had a buddy from Northern Ireland take the Massachusetts driver’s test and he was blown away over how many things weren’t checked.

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    Not really worse than standing on the train for hours. But, standing on a train doesn’t make the ride cheaper. So, in some ways better than standing on the train

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      I’ve stood on the bus for 4-5 hours before. When I was younger I could sleep standing on the bus. Not sure if I could pull it off now.

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    I don’t get it. Why not just have bunk beds and everyone gets to lay down like those sleeper busses in Asia. They get way more people on those busses than with just seats

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      225 days ago

      I am sure boarding and deplaning takes longer if everyone is getting into or out of a prone position. The idea might have been standing seats for short flights where turnaround time between flights was a large percent of each trip leg.

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    Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats? Seems like you’d save the same amount of space or more with vastly more comfort.

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        Now, it would be pretty reactionary for me to say that you are wrong, especially when speaking about Americans or even the UK. But we are all a byproduct of our environment and I still have empathy and I don’t want a fat shame But I definitely don’t want to glorify it and I want to find the source of the problem Because people don’t necessarily choose to be overweight shit, I’m a little chunky. I’m a poor Yankee. Oh, also, very interesting, China is a capitalist country and it has an obese problem. This is all just shit on top of shit. Like, we gotta go down this rabbit hole of causation. But people don’t have the attention span. One day at a time, I suppose.

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      Yeah, since this is a shit post, why don’t they wrap the passengers like a piece of luggage and store them on a shelf? Save so much room… Just give them diapers! /S

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      The serious non-joke answer is the same as the one for these standing seats: emergency exit speed. When an airplane crash lands you have like less than 2 minutes to get everyone out before the huge inferno happens and roasts people. So for standing seats that pack even more people into an airplane, they have to prove that they can still get everyone out before the deadline. For laying-down seats they would have to prove the same thing.

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        I’ve been on enough planes to believe 2 minutes of evacuation time will see 5% evacuated and 95% trampled before the fiery inferno.

        • TheRealKuni
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          Remarkably, it has happened. People suddenly decide to pay attention to authority when they’re in a terrifying situation they’ve never experienced.

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            What I’ve chosen to glean from this is that I should inflict varied and new terrors upon coworkers to help keep us on track.

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              excellent, the boss will be proud of the new performance numbers, therapy will no longer be covered by insurance to improve the sense of dread.

        • @[email protected]
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          I hate to burst your bubble but almost no air disasters happen instantaneously. It takes many minutes to fall out of the sky. Also most air disasters still involve a mostly-controlled descent.

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        Not only that, but also the mess it would make. Airlines make good money off of selling food and drinks, how are you going to consume those laying down? Very messily, that’s how. More mess = more time spent cleaning the plane = less time in the air = less ticket sales. Not to mention the loss in drink and food sales from people who don’t want to do that laying down. It’s a lose lose for the airline.

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          I would pay a premium ticket price to get a lay down seat at the back of the plane and have no food service in that zone. That gets rid of the food sales loss, for which I have never paid for anyway, as I’d be paying a higher ticket price. I guess at that point there is still a concern regarding a mess, since I can bring my own snacks, but it’s not like I would be getting some memory foam mattress with Egyptian cotton sheets with the way airlines would implement this anyway. I’d get a long pleather vinyl cushion with maybe a standard pillow.

          It would be worse than what I got in the Navy, slightly, but still better than any shit airplane seat I’ve sat in.

          • @[email protected]
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            There is already a premium ticket price for lay down seats on large commercial passenger jets. Many of those first class seats go all the way down.

    • @[email protected]
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      Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats?

      Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.

      But it’s all shit regardless. Boeing can barely even make planes that don’t fall apart on the runway. The American airline industry’s fleet is increasingly defunct. The FAA is gutted. Airports are falling into disrepare due to mismanagement. You’ll be lucky to get any kind of air travel in another decade.

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        Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.

        Wouldn’t the same group have trouble standing for an entire flight?

        If only there was some sort of halfway point between lying down and standing up, something which would be easier to than lying down, but wouldn’t be as physically demanding as standing up.

        Oh well.

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            Hmm…

            Well that’s one thing I can’t really complain about in Finland, access to physically disabled people. Its honestly pretty great, it’s been in the infra-design and all design mentality for decades.

            Anywhere there is public access, you’ll probably also find disabled access.

            Like just today, I felt a little bit proud, as I spotted an outhouse built to specifications allowing wheelchair access.

            We aren’t the utopia people seem to think we are, but if you’re in a wheelchair, you’ll still get access to nice nature paths on which to be depressed on. So that’s nice.

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      And if the plane fails, jump out of the plane with the chair and sit down/stand up as you’re about to hit the ground.

      You won’t receive any fall damage during the animation.

      (Make sure to check patch notes, this is a 2020 update exploit)

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    Standing still in place for a few hours is waaay more uncomfortable than pacing and walking around. Shifting the weight on our feet really helps

    I can’t imagine how awful these would be, especially with how cramped they’d be packed in (otherwise they’re no smaller than chairs). God, you couldn’t even bend down to scratch your knee.

    I remember seeing pictures like this a looking time ago so I’m pretty sure they’re fake bait. At best it’s an idea somebody prototyped but won’t use.

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      It can even be dangerous for some people to be in a standing position for too long. I have a severe case of POTS caused by a genetic disorder. My heart stopped during a tilt table test, which is where I was forced to remain in a standing position. If I’m expected to pay more for a normal seat just because I’m disabled, that’s ableism.

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        Too much skill and engineering involved. The people that run our societies, specifically capitalist societies, because that’s the only thing that’s left, are too obsessed with the profit motive to actually even attain something like this. Unless you’re just being flown around like meat and your survivability is not guaranteed.

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      Shifting the weight on our feet really helps

      This is why some people use wobble boards with standing desks. Makes a big difference.

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    You need to fly somewhere? Okay, fuck you.

    Edit: wasn’t there just a story about how they are going to offer first class seats with five windows? I guess it is just gods and slobs now.

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        Currently my strategy is to attempt to fold my legs under the seat and essentially kneel because it’s not physically possible for my thighs to fit. Between kneeling and praying to the God of capitalism to not give me a dvt vs crouching like the subhuman ogre I am: I’ll crouch.

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          Oh man, I (also 2 m) can relate. For me it’s always one of the emergency exit seats, that fit not too bad. But that luxury to be able to sit decently costs extra.

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      I’m 5’5" and I just know my legs would dangle like a child on their first roller coaster.

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        5’4" here. Yeah, I wouldn’t be able to reach the floor and would hang there like a rag doll. 🤣