I don’t get it. Why not just have bunk beds and everyone gets to lay down like those sleeper busses in Asia. They get way more people on those busses than with just seats
I am sure boarding and deplaning takes longer if everyone is getting into or out of a prone position. The idea might have been standing seats for short flights where turnaround time between flights was a large percent of each trip leg.
Tilt the beds so they fall down a tube onto the tarmac
Velcro them to the walls!
Not really worse than standing on the train for hours. But, standing on a train doesn’t make the ride cheaper. So, in some ways better than standing on the train
I’ve stood on the bus for 4-5 hours before. When I was younger I could sleep standing on the bus. Not sure if I could pull it off now.
I hate air travel so much. I have non-local family so deal with a single r/t per year, but that’s about my limit.
So I guess no putting your head between your knees in the event of a crash then, huh?
The only reason airlines would have you do that in the first place is so you can kiss your ass goodbye.
Not true.
I suppose it’s to protect your head from possible flying debris?
More too protect your teeth so they can identify via dental records
It’s to prevent you from becoming flying debris
It’s a play on put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye as in it’s not going to help you no matter what
Do you not know of Captain Sulemburger
You need to pass yoga test to afford this seat
Well strapped to a sightly ergonomic plank upright is pretty safe, even better if you face away from the direction of the crash.
Maybe they could replace that with a noose that comes down next to the oxygen. Then, if you get claustrophobic, you get off the plane any time you want.
That would require assisted suicide to be legal.
The ‘ol Marylin Manson
Ryanair be Like
That’s majestic
These standing seats have been coming next year for the past decade, but they always failed safety tests. Planes need to be evacuated within a certain time frame, which does not work when the plane is too densely packed.
Did the stronger younger people try pushing the frail and children out of the way during these safety tests? Because I feel like the plane world empty quickly in that scenario
“Do you feel capable of opening the exit in case of an emergency?”
– Yes.
“Do you feel capable of throwing the old woman behind you of of the window in case of an emergency?”
– What?
“Do you know how to punch someone unconscious if they fall to hysteria in case of an emergency?”
– I would like to leave the plane now.dont give them ideas!
I think we should relax rules on how quickly it is to evaluate a plane, and focus more on keeping the plane in the sky. (looking at you Boeing)
I’d love sleeping pods or bunk beds on a plane and accept the higher risk of not being able to get out quickly.
Cars and probably even train are infinitely more dangerous and we accept those risks every day.
And if we are making rules about exiting a plane it should apply to when the plane lands normally. There is absolutely no reason it takes 30+ mints to get the fuck off the plane once we’ve arrived at the gate
That would mean getting rid of carry-on and deploying emergency chutes every time which costs 10s of thousands to replace each time and grounds the plane for weeks. Makes sense.
There is no legitimate reason why trains or cars should be more dangerous modes of transport than flights. It is just that the lobbies for cars and capitalist train operations successfully desensitized everyone to it, so “deadly car crash” is just shrugged away. In the US we see similar attempts to make planes less safe and just accept the numbers of people killed in preventable events.
IDK about trains, but the problem with cars is that we let people operate them with minimal training and practically no oversight. You see shit on roads daily where if the driver was flying a plane, they wouldn’t even be let on as a passenger anymore ever.
We could increase the training requirements and oversight. We could design road-networks in a way that makes speeding more difficult and enact stricter speed limits.
Whenever these measures are taking in an area they greatly reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured.
This would make people so mad though.
We could increase the training requirements and oversight.
I wish.
And who’s going to tell all those people that they are not going to drive again, ever? In pilot training, even showing signs of bravado or machismo is grounds for getting failed. The problem is that if you do that those people will go and vote you out, especially in this climate.
One of the main campaign promises of the idiot who got the most votes in the last Dutch election was to put the speed limits back to 130 kmh from the reduced 100 kmh on motorways. People like to be dumb.
BTW it would take minimal effort to enforce highway speed limits with cameras checking entry and exit times and distances. In some places with road tolls, it wouldn’t even need any more data collection. A single SQL query would return all those people doing 100 kmh over on the motorways. Wonder why outside of a few outliers, nobody does it.
One big reason why mass transit is and always will be (part of) the correct answer: Don’t have to fear taking away peoples’ privelege to drive if transit it there to get them around afterward.
people don’t like wasting time in traffic and will happily take a slightly higher death rate to get it.
We are not talking about the inherent danger of driving, but the danger caused by people either physically or psychologically unfit to drive. The problem is not highways with speed limits of 130 kmh, but the people driving 240 on them, or the people driving drunk, running red lights, etc.
And as SUV sales show, most people are not comfortable with higher death rates for themselves, but are okay with endangering others. Ironically though, SUVs are more dangerous for their drivers as well, so apparently people are going for a perception of safety rather than actual safety even for themselves.
I had a buddy from Northern Ireland take the Massachusetts driver’s test and he was blown away over how many things weren’t checked.
I don’t think loosening regulations in one place will help in other places.
Why not both?
Can’t they go Middle Earth on them and just create more doors?
Pilots were asked about the problem and one said “I sen guards to the exits to help with the evacuation.”
Can I just sit on the floor like on a train in Poland?
Thats outdated thing, Polish trains now require You to play tetris, stack layers, that somehow doesn’t disappear. It’s like first person do sit on floor, then 2nd person sit on 1st, then 3rd sit on 2nd, and so on. Lucky ones who sit on toilet instead.
If you do not sit on the toilet, you become the toilet.
I’d pay extra to not have to deal with the TSA as well.
The Security Theater is non-negotiable. It’s there to maintain fear. Those that created the Security Theater are the ones that create the terrorism.
Honestly, that may actually be more comfortable for me than trying to fold my legs into the tiny rows they have now.
I am super torn here because pre-back-surgery me looks at these and says “the NERVE of these fuckers” and post-back-surgery me is like “Well that WOULD be nice yes”
I’m over 40 and I usually stand up about half of my working day. But I wouldn’t want to stand in an airplane because it’s cramped.
I’m tall enough I can’t stand up on any plane I’ve been on in the last several years…
Next step - put bicycle seats, reducent material for backs. Then add bicycle pedals for engines, to reduce fuel usage. None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.
None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.
Standard ticket if you generate at least 1KW, otherwise the price goes up if you generate less, with a fine for less then 50W generated during the flight
Bet You will have to pay max price front. For security reason.
Possible overpaid (in case You return some electricity), are returned in form of credit points for next purchase!
There’s an idea. Flights that people can make standing, should be banned, except when there is a body of water between the destination.
Airlines: “You’re not gonna believe what clouds are made of…”
I declare clouds are not a body of water, merely a spirit of water.
Almost mist that joke
Oh, yes corporations. I guess body of Liquid water then. 😂
Edit: 2x2 Km minimum size.
Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats? Seems like you’d save the same amount of space or more with vastly more comfort.
The serious non-joke answer is the same as the one for these standing seats: emergency exit speed. When an airplane crash lands you have like less than 2 minutes to get everyone out before the huge inferno happens and roasts people. So for standing seats that pack even more people into an airplane, they have to prove that they can still get everyone out before the deadline. For laying-down seats they would have to prove the same thing.
Just lean it forward and have everyone slide down and out of the emergency slide.
Pop me out the side with compressed air like a decoy flare
“Missile inbound. Deploying passengers.”
New ultra economy just dropped. Cheap prices, but when Russian SAMs lock on, you are now chaff.
In the contract: obligation to flail your arms and legs widely for maximum distraction.
I’ve been on enough planes to believe 2 minutes of evacuation time will see 5% evacuated and 95% trampled before the fiery inferno.
Remarkably, it has happened. People suddenly decide to pay attention to authority when they’re in a terrifying situation they’ve never experienced.
What I’ve chosen to glean from this is that I should inflict varied and new terrors upon coworkers to help keep us on track.
excellent, the boss will be proud of the new performance numbers, therapy will no longer be covered by insurance to improve the sense of dread.
Not only that, but also the mess it would make. Airlines make good money off of selling food and drinks, how are you going to consume those laying down? Very messily, that’s how. More mess = more time spent cleaning the plane = less time in the air = less ticket sales. Not to mention the loss in drink and food sales from people who don’t want to do that laying down. It’s a lose lose for the airline.
I would pay a premium ticket price to get a lay down seat at the back of the plane and have no food service in that zone. That gets rid of the food sales loss, for which I have never paid for anyway, as I’d be paying a higher ticket price. I guess at that point there is still a concern regarding a mess, since I can bring my own snacks, but it’s not like I would be getting some memory foam mattress with Egyptian cotton sheets with the way airlines would implement this anyway. I’d get a long
pleathervinyl cushion with maybe a standard pillow.It would be worse than what I got in the Navy, slightly, but still better than any shit airplane seat I’ve sat in.
There is already a premium ticket price for lay down seats on large commercial passenger jets. Many of those first class seats go all the way down.
Another emergency door can’t be that expensive
Would you rather die in your sleep? Or with your balls crushed?
I hate to burst your bubble but almost no air disasters happen instantaneously. It takes many minutes to fall out of the sky. Also most air disasters still involve a mostly-controlled descent.
And that’s what you’re waking me for?
Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats?
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
But it’s all shit regardless. Boeing can barely even make planes that don’t fall apart on the runway. The American airline industry’s fleet is increasingly defunct. The FAA is gutted. Airports are falling into disrepare due to mismanagement. You’ll be lucky to get any kind of air travel in another decade.
The FAA’s goal of zero air disasters will feel like a luxury in the future.
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
Wouldn’t the same group have trouble standing for an entire flight?
If only there was some sort of halfway point between lying down and standing up, something which would be easier to than lying down, but wouldn’t be as physically demanding as standing up.
Oh well.
Sounds like something we’ll have to pay extra for. Better not have a disability.
Hmm…
Well that’s one thing I can’t really complain about in Finland, access to physically disabled people. Its honestly pretty great, it’s been in the infra-design and all design mentality for decades.
Anywhere there is public access, you’ll probably also find disabled access.
Like just today, I felt a little bit proud, as I spotted an outhouse built to specifications allowing wheelchair access.
We aren’t the utopia people seem to think we are, but if you’re in a wheelchair, you’ll still get access to nice nature paths on which to be depressed on. So that’s nice.
!remindme 10 years
Yeah, since this is a shit post, why don’t they wrap the passengers like a piece of luggage and store them on a shelf? Save so much room… Just give them diapers! /S
An additional $25 Diaper Convenience Fee has been automatically added to your total.
People too fat
So we’ll have them stand for hours instead?
This is more leaning than standing. Even a fat fuck can lean for a while
The next step is to add a treadmill under everyone.
Instead of oxygen masks, the ceiling drops down a cupcake on a string.
Now, it would be pretty reactionary for me to say that you are wrong, especially when speaking about Americans or even the UK. But we are all a byproduct of our environment and I still have empathy and I don’t want a fat shame But I definitely don’t want to glorify it and I want to find the source of the problem Because people don’t necessarily choose to be overweight shit, I’m a little chunky. I’m a poor Yankee. Oh, also, very interesting, China is a capitalist country and it has an obese problem. This is all just shit on top of shit. Like, we gotta go down this rabbit hole of causation. But people don’t have the attention span. One day at a time, I suppose.
Solution: bring a cheap plastic chair as part of your luggage
And if the plane fails, jump out of the plane with the chair and sit down/stand up as you’re about to hit the ground.
You won’t receive any fall damage during the animation.
(Make sure to check patch notes, this is a 2020 update exploit)
Honestly I didn’t even realize until now how good the cropping is on lemmy compared to redd*t. holy shit the number of memes that came from screenshots of twitter screenshotted on insta screenshotted on whatever the fuck but this one was profile.
