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that airline agent would have tasted my fist so quick
I know, it’s really annoying when you just want war and someone helps you out to fix it all
I want a gf who would punch her after the "24"remark.
Oh I’m sure they exist. You’ll probably find them on the “no fly list” though.
That whole requiring documentation to say you don’t need documentation is so absolutely drunken with power maliciousness.
From the makers of ‘Please respond if you want to come to the party’.
- So are you coming to the party? You didn’t respond
It’s easy to be chill when you’re not the one being disrespected.
It’s also easy to be chill when you don’t interpret every slightly contentious interaction as being disrespected.
Did you know that sometimes you can choose not to reply to people on the internet?
Pfft then why didn’t you exercise that ability yourself?
It’s easy to be chill when you don’t consider other people’s experiences to be valid.
pfft, I reserve the right to judge that a person’s interpretation of reality is incorrect in some way, thanks.
Your interpretation of reality is wrong in its entirety.
wtf any ways, you should check your health to take any flights, more if you are pregnant woman.
Lmao: I wanted to say only “pregnant woman” but I said it in other way XD Sorry. I’ve already edited the comment
Women shouldn’t be allowed on flights anyway, it gives them hysteria and can make their uteruses fly out
That was trains going over 40km/h, not planes, wasn’t it?
I don’t see how the same rules wouldn’t apply!
Planes generally don’t go on rails so maybe that’s a factor.
It’s both. It’s also the reasoning for women originally:
Not being able to go into space
Not being able to ride bikes (unless they side straddled the fucking bike ?!?!?)
Not being able to do marathons (even in like the fucking 70’s)
By all rights the world should be littered with projectiled uteruses at this point.
What makes you think it’s not?
Its true, I’ve seen it happen with my own eyes.
I was a flying uterus before I became a real boy.
Makes sense, circle of life and all.
This is true. I’m a doctor and got my medical degree from Giliad Holiness University Hospital and Church.
So you have a doctor’s note?
I use “are you calling me a liar?” which is probably more effective in the UK than the US.
I’ve never met anyone who used that phrase who wasn’t also clearly a dipshit.
Yeah no that definitely doesn’t work in the US.
In recent years there’s been an anti-Karen sentiment going around in the country, so these days any sort of pushback from the public usually gets immediately shut down, even if the customer isn’t actually being a Karen. Today’s service industry employees have zero fucks to give.
holy shit i noticed that… every customer service agent just assumes you’re lying and trying to scam them; there’s no benefit of the doubt… prove it or shut up and stop wasting company time
what ever happened to having a reputation for good customer service being a positive business attribute in and of itself?
That seems specific to the west, in Japan and Korea, I had separate incidents where the subway ate my ticket or money and the guy asks how much it was, opens tge machine, and grabs that ticket/bill, and gives it to me, doesn’t check a camera or the machines history or anything.
Ugh I HATE that phrase. I’m American and any time someone says that to me I just want to reply “no, I just think you are ignorant” but I know that would just get me punched.
Also in the “factual but getting punched” category of responses would be: “No, I’m not saying you’re a liar. You don’t need to be a liar to still be in the wrong.”
Someone saying that is looking for a fight. I just say yes and try to block the punch.
I’ve also heard people use it who weren’t lying, they were simply incorrect, and conflating those two concepts.
Sometimes they’re even just mistaken.
I ain’t calling you a truther
Given what passes for a “truther” nowadays, I’d be more than happy to hear that 🙏
wtf do you need documentation for? god, fuck everything about flying
You get a bit of a dose of cosmic radiation while flying. It won’t turn your baby into the Thing or give them the ability to catch on fire or turn invisible, but it could still damage the baby at a vital stage of their development.
I don’t buy that explanation. Why would that dose of radiation be more harmful to a more developed fetus?
The crew just doesn’t want to deal with a mother spontaneously giving birth, and the airline doesn’t want to deal with the paperwork of taking off with n passengers and landing with n+1. And no-one wants to find out the nationality of a baby born over the Atlantic.
And no-one wants to find out the nationality of a baby born over the Atlantic.
That actually sounds incredibly fun, as a law nerd!
Correct. As a father of four and who moved across an ocean when one of them was six months in utero it has more to do with concerns that changes in air pressure might induce early labor.
Edit: I realize this post reads like I abandoned my family when one of my kids was six months away from being born. I didn’t. But it’s a funny enough mistake that I’m not changing it.
So how were the cigarettes
Eh. Should’ve got menthols.
Correct, has nothing to do with radiation.
Nationality of somebody born on a plane wouldn’t be a big deal as long as at least one of the parents comes from a country where lex sanguis applies. If lex solis applies (as in the USA) then they could in fact be stateless unless their parents have some other nationality.
And, if I remember correctly, the captain has the responsibility to record births and deaths on board an airplane. So you might be on to something with the paperwork.
That’s not it at all. It’s mostly the acceleration and turbulence that can potentially damage the fetus, the same reason they shouldn’t ride rollercoasters.
Yeah but the cosmic rays tho
I mean have you seen what happened to the fantastic four?
after all that drama, an actual answer LOL
but still, fuck everything about flying
Multiple people have given you actual answers that are all a part of it.
Do you thing the airline industry has no experience with this type of situation or something?
It’s a health risk to the baby and the mother.
They also don’t want people giving birth on planes. Makes a bit of a mess and cleaning up delays the next flight
Don’t they need a special cleaning team, since it’s a biohazard?
So? That’s what liability wavers are for.
You mean the documentation that is the first thing mentioned in the meme?
Why on earth would you get a corporate liability waver from your doctor?
No I mean like the kind printed on the back of the ticket that says “by using this you accept all liabilities and responsibilities therein henceforth and in perpetuity blah blah blah”.
Can liability waivers bring someone back to life?
No, but if a pregnant mother wants to get on the plane despite knowing the risks, then a liability waiver should let them
Can you sign a liability waiver for killing a child that has gone past the time for a legal abortion? Clearly there is a point when you put your child at risk. The liability waiver is for the airline.
If it’s for the airline’s liability then wouldn’t it no longer be their business once passed to the consumer?
So murder is ok, as long as you get it signed off?
They don’t ask you for a document that your cardiologist let you fly. They don’t ask you for a document that you don’t need a document from any other doctor. They only ask a woman that. Because it’s not about health.
If someone dies of heart attack on plane, nothing happens, they just die. If someone goes to labor, they bring the plane down.
If someone dies of heart attack on plane, nothing happens, they just die.
they absolutely bring the plane down. most declared Maydays are for medical emergencies in flight. until someone’s pronounced dead by an authority, they are a critically ill passenger.
How are you supposed to see if someone has a heart condition?
I’m asking since you made a statement making them equal. Can you see if someone is pregnant at 20+ weeks? The answer is yes, therefore you can enforce it.
However, enforcing it like they appeared to have done and asking irrelevant questions are the real issues.
Why the fuck does this matter? Are we only care about health if it’s visible?
Oh, so it is ok to check for pregnant women then? Good. Then thats sorted.
Is that what they’re for? You know this as a fact? You’ve worked in the airline industry?
Or are you just making things up about something you obviously don’t understand.
And how do you prove that you’ve signed the liability waivers?
Checkmate, libtard
I have a note from my doctor
In the US it depends on the airline. We went on a babymoon vacation when my partner was 30-something weeks and didn’t need to provide any documentation (Alaska Airlines). She did run it by her providers first, but that wasn’t an airline/TSA/FAA requirement.
How long was the flight though? Were you staying within say… three hours of travel or was it crossing the Pacific or going to like…Florida…which are both over 7hrs? The flight length and where you’re travelling to can be a factor in whether they ask for documentation or not.
>2000 mile flight. Not crazy long but not short. (The state of Alaska was not involved, just the airline.)
Oooh. Ok. Sorry, when I hear an airline with a specific place name my brain goes to somewhere within that place as one of the ends of the flight. It gives me an anchor point if I’m looking into flight lengths. :)
Regardless, I can see why some airlines have restrictions, especially on certain flight paths. They’re not exactly equipped to handle labour if the pregnancy is high risk or something unexpected goes wrong and there’s an increased chance of early labour later in pregnancy in that situation. (And it’s higher if it’s twins, triplets, etc. You can have multis ‘on time’, but you have a higher chance of going into early labour in that case to begin with.) And if you’re say…halfway across the Pacific or Atlantic you don’t really have a lot of options in any kind of emergency situation. Whereas if the flight is from LA to Toronto you have a lot of places you can land in a situation like that.
It never hurts to discuss and check in with your trusted medical provider(s) at that stage of pregnancy or if you’re in the high risk category (or if you have other non-pregnancy conditions that might put you at an increased risk). Forearmed - with knowledge in this case - is forewarned, right! :)
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What level of sexism is this where you speak on behalf of other imaginary people not in the conversation and say the horrible stuff yourself?
If you think someone is gonna say something terrible let them say it themselves. Putting yourself as the target does nothing but put the negative behaviour you don’t like into the world on their behalf.
I’m certain whatever they were trying to say is stupid sexist bullshit but I really cannot figure out that is.
I’m saying the sexists are fucking stupid and should stop hiding. They are so confident they are right, drop the show and just be honest….then watch the world eat them alive.
Heard the word “pregnant woman” and immediately thought of all women as sex objects to birth children only and then blamed it on that being what men think about them in the same thought.
Its like negging where you say something shitty, calculated to be awful but then act like it doesn’t matter because it was followed by a negation of it.
No. I think people misunderstand what I posted. But I also understand it’s the internet and it’s more interesting to assume I’m a monster so whatever.
Sure. We don’t know you past this interaction. If you want to not be like that then act and choose different words. Don’t just excuse yourself as a monster to make it hurt less. Recognize how you said it was wrong and grow. Change is yours to choose.
Ohhhhh.
Huh. Thanks.
I think she handled this brilliantly. I’d have only changed the last intrraction.
“No. I am only 24 weeks pregnant. Do I need documentation if I’m only 24 weeks pregnant?”
“Can you please point to the policy that says I need a note at 28 weeks? Right there? You’re absolutely correct, that IS what the policy says. Well done! Now point to the policy that says I have to provide a note to you that I’m at less than 28 weeks. Take your time, I’m patient.”
“Take your time, I’m pregnant”
“But don’t take too much time, I’m still trying to stay under the 28 week limit here.”
*Punches themselves in the stomach
Ok now I’m at 0 weeks, can i get on the fucking plane?
To all my German fellas: This could literally be a Loriot sketch.
Definitely! Loriot would take this situation and at least double the awkwardness.
I know this isn’t relevant to the post, but why do you need a doctor note for ‘any’ amount of weeks?
Fascist country. Controlling women fascistically. Old white guys who take pills to make their decrepit dicks work on their mistresses and aids and probably children are very concerned about “Gods will” when it comes to pregnancy and womens bodily autonomy.
Something something Margret Atwood.
Its a low pressure, low oxygen, cramped environment that can complicate existing issues a lot more than some people realize.
I know of someone who died because a really bad freak ear infection ruptured at altitude and they bled out before the plane could land.
Its not like planes aren’t safe, its just that high risk individuals and situations need extra precautions.
I thought I was going to die on a plane during depressurization once. My head literally felt like it was going to pop from my forehead and the pain was so immense I hunched over as to not cause panic in the aircraft.
It had happened a couple other times before this particular instance where the front of my head felt immense pressure during the planes decent. It also caused major headaches that lasted several days after the incident.
I looked it up after this event and made an immediate appointment with my doctor. Turns out some 10% of men can be affected by this where fluid builds up in your forehead “sinus pouches” I’ll call them, and during the planes decent it will depressurize. During depressurization this fluid will push against your brain. You can see a similar action with a half filled waterbottle during this time. They implode a little bit. That’s what was happening to my head.
My doctor prescribed me a nasal spray I need to take 30 minutes before take off to drain my sinus. It’s worked ever since.
Jesus Christ. 😧
Aw man you could’ve recreated the head exploding scene from scanners on a plane. That would’ve been the best prank ever.
Glad your head is unexploded though.
I wouldn’t even be mad if someone next to me popped. I’d be like holy shit I can’t believe I get two arm rests.
I suppose the airlines want that for liability reasons. But I’m curious of ‘why’ pregnant women need a doctor’s note and not, say, folks with heart conditions then. Are there other groups that require some authority figure to give them medical permission to fly or do we only not trust pregnant women to listen to their doctors?
i would guess it’s less that they don’t trust them, and more that the doctor might do some extra tests to make sure that everything looks okay
heart conditions are typically a long-term thing; pregnancy is relatively short-term so there’s not a lot of time for people to get used to their situation, and there’s a lot to pay attention to
Probably because you might end up giving birth prematurely on the flight and they don’t wanna be liable for anything
The liability thing is definitely part of it but it ain’t good news for anyone involved if that thing decides to pop out over the Pacific.
It can literally affect the citizenship of the baby which I find so strange.
Only the Americas have jus soli really. Everywhere else it’s the parents’ citizenships that matters.
If one of your parents are a US citizen, you are one no matter where you are born.
There are a bunch of regulations to make sure that in most cases a US citizen giving birth abroad, will grant their kid US citizenship. Although the law does not “guarantee” it like it does in most countries outside the Americas.
“Interestingly” the US does tend to apply jus sanguinis over jus soli in case of stateless people.
Interesting it lines up with the new world / old world concept.
The fact that you had to ask this question, proves how far we have fallen.
Someone doesn’t know something? How dare they!
For all you know that person could be a teenager.
The real problem would be if they didn’t have any interest in learning something they didn’t know about.
Did the boyfriend need documentation proving he’s not 28-weeks pregnant?
