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Is… is Dropbox… pirating user files???
That’s my intellectual property in there
It’s OUR intellectual property, comrade.
(My money though)
Sincerely,
Dropbox
Is it still?
… enabled-by-default…
… shares your Dropbox data with OpenAI …
… an experimental AI-powered search feature. …
… user data [IS] shared with third-party AI partners…
This would be more than enough reason for me to cancel and delete my account if I were still a customer.
If you can’t trust a company with your data, then you can’t trust the company at all.
Why do companies have to be so opaque with things? If they really wanted users to try some experimental, data-sharing feature, offer it to them as an opt-in beta feature and pay them for being a guinea pig.
Consent with compensation is way better than non-consent with zero transparency.
They made some seriously bad choices in the past few years that I honestly don’t believe they can survive by 2030. Just like photobucket and vimeo, Dropbox has reached peak shit.
I already moved anything sensitive out of my pro account, switched to free, and now use it to store memes and porn since that realization.
There’s a lot of missing context with those ellipsis. Enabled by default means you’re just going to see the feature but it’s not doing anything or sending any data until you interact with it. Even when you do it prompts you first to explain what it’s going to do. If you don’t want to see the feature at all you can just toggle it back off but no data has moved until you’ve consented to it.
Yes, a fair point that was mentioned in the article.
I may be speaking only for myself, but I don’t want any new features enabled by default. Subsequent popups and warnings may be hastily ignored/skipped during a user’s busy day, so it’s too easy to accidentally give consent, and consent shouldn’t be accidental.
Let users know about the feature in a newsletter or “what’s new” section of the site, and let the user opt-in to try this new feature (if they wish). That’s really the only ethical, transparent, and 100% way to ensure consent.
This should be justification enough for any enterprise company using Dropbox to dump them overboard
Fuck. I have been using them for backup for years, I currently have everything on my NAS but still like having important stuff in an offsite backup.
Anyone know a reasonably priced cloud storage provider that has integration (either 3rd or 1st party) with Unraid?
Edit: Dropbox just renewed my annual subscription last night at midnight 🙃
Double edit: I went into my Dropbox web portal and found that the setting was enabled by default for me. I’m in the US.
I had good luck with B2 backblaze but recently switched to storj for E2EE backups without having encrypted filenames in the browser. Overall these solutions are slower and more expensive than typical cloud backups, but it’s well worth it to stick it to the man.
Edit: more expensive, not cheaper.
Cool I will look into that! What are you running on your NAS to facilitate the backups?
TrueNAS Scale has a built-in cloud backup tool that supports the common sites and protocols. Most all NAS solutions have something similar. It’s really just an rsync wrapper with authentication and storage protocol support.
I use wasabi, it’s an Amazon s3 compatible storage solution, $5/month/TB with no network or access fees
Oh that’s not bad! Thanks I’ll look into it. What are you using to send the backups to Wasabi?
I run my NAS on TrueNAS, and it just has a built-in solution for taking ZFS snapshots, encrypting them, and shipping them to an S3-compatible storage.
However, for unraid, I think your easiest thing will be to use the
rcloneplugin
Did you read the article before freaking out?
Dafuq…
I found this in my settings. I never know if the option is on or off… It’s on, right?When you enable it it says below that “do not sell or share is now active”
That message is not visible for me. It just shows my email address and the option to save preferences or to exit
And this is precisely why you don’t store your files in the cloud.
RTFA
Me with my 70 gigabytes of furry porn commissions
*unencrypted
The cloud is just someone else’s computer. I thank fuck all the time that I bothered to learn Linux, that time sink has opened so many badass doorways like learning how to set up nextcloud or NFS or Samba and hosting my own cloud in my basement.
Unsettling
Can I talk to you about our lord and saviour Nextcloud?
I only wish you could manage files in the backend without going through the web GUI. So slow having to manually upload everything through there.
They fucking WHAT.
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wait hold on a second, don’t I have a reasonable expectation that my non public files aren’t public?
Not according to Dropbox ToS. You already agree to allow them to use your materials for marketing and research purposes. This is only a minor step further.
PSA: use Cryptomator if u gonna use public clouds
Also: public cloud + cryptomator > e2ee cloud (Proton etc)
That’s neat, thanks!
What’s this exactly? Would you mind an explanation? I would like my files to only be my files.
An interesting note: OneDrive really dislikes that, it reads your encrypted files as ransomware and asks you to say they’re OK every time you upload something new. It’s really annoying.
Then stop using it and go to Sync > Dropbox > Box (not 100% if it works for Box), way better
Of course OneDrive hates it, you’re cucking Microsoft from access to your cleartext files.
I can’t haz private files? 🥺
—Microsoft, definitely
Be interesting to see how long after today this stands
Swap to mega.io it’s encrypted and open source
Peak comedy is someone believing convicted felon Kim Dotcom is going to treat your data or privacy with an ounce of respect.
Reductionist. He is a ‘felon’ because he hosted a service that was used heavily for piracy. Not because he was robbing banks or shooting people.
Guess you forgot the other 20+ charges Kim Dotcom plead guilty to over the decade before he decided to host.
Embezzlement ✅
Selling stolen property ✅
Data espionage ✅
Who the fuck takes up for this moron? He’s obviously a shit weasel for life.
Had no idea about earlier charges.
Article with sources that goes into much more detail: https://web.archive.org/web/20230115112142/https://www.wired.com/2012/01/kim-dotcom/
Some hilarious highlights:
He bought stolen phone card account information from American hackers. After setting up premium toll chat lines in Hong Kong and in the Caribbean, he used a “war dialer” program to call the lines using the stolen card numbers—ringing up €61,000 in ill-gained profits.
In 1998, he was convicted of 11 counts of computer fraud, 10 counts of data espionage, and an assortment of other charges. He received a two-year suspended sentence—because, at just 20, he was declared “under age” at the time the crimes were committed.
In January 2001, LetsBuyIt was close to bankruptcy. Schmitz bought 375,000 euros in the company’s shares — and then announced he was preparing to invest an additional 50 million Euros. The news hit the market, and the stock price of LetsBuyIt surged. Schmitz cashed out, making a profit of €1.5 million.
Kim would give your data to Satan himself for a can of Pringles
Kim doesn’t have anyone’s data…
Is that because he already gave it away in exchange for processed potato-puree chips?
It’s open source and encrypted…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In its FAQ, Dropbox contradicts this claim, saying, “We won’t let our third-party partners train their models on our user data without consent.”
In July, the company announced an AI-powered feature called Dash that allows AI models to perform universal searches across platforms like Google Workspace and Microsoft Outlook.
Still, multiple Ars Technica staff who had no knowledge of the Dropbox AI alpha found the setting enabled by default when they checked.
It also says, “Only the content relevant to an explicit request or command is sent to our third-party AI partners to generate an answer, summary, or transcript.”
Log into your Dropbox account on a desktop web browser, then click your profile photo > Settings > Third-party AI.
On that page, click the switch beside “Use artificial intelligence (AI) from third-party partners so you can work faster in Dropbox” to toggle it into the “Off” position.
The original article contains 518 words, the summary contains 147 words. Saved 72%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Only related to an explicit request. And yet to fulfill that request “tax documents related to business Y” will require that the API have a catalog of that data aggregated already to fulfill that request
On a side note, I love that article image that they used. The contrast it’s trying to portray is so chef’s kiss
Hey I was thinking about cloud backups. I gotta encrypt important files then if dropbox is gonna have AI go through them at will. My alternative was just copying stuff to a hard drive and shoving it in a safety deposit box…
NAS + cloud backup is the way to go. Any NAS software worth its salt can do E2EE backup with any old cloud backup solution.
Definitely not for the faint of heart though. If you don’t actively enjoy fiddling then there aren’t many good options. Maybe icloud if you trust Apple to not de-platform you.
Depending on how far away the box is, this might be the most efficient possible alternative.
If it takes you an hour to get the drive and plug it in, and the drive is 14TB, you’re looking at a download speed of 31,000 megabits per second.
Depending on how important those files are to you the safe deposit box might be a good “plan A”.
Not available in Europe, UK and Canada, but in California. Interesting
