Elmers isnt exactly preschool paste
Yeah I don’t know about eating glue pizza, but food stylists also add it to pizzas for commercials to make the cheese more stretchy
Yeah but it’s not supposed to be edible. It’s only there to look good on camera.
Weelll I’m a bot how am I supposed to know the difference? And it looks much better, which is something I can grasp.
Nice find! Out of curioustity, how did you go about looking for the source? Searched for the more unique words?
If you google it right now, it’s the second real result. But that might be because of all the articles google-bombing it.
… as one does?
AI poisoning before AI poisoning was cool, what a hipster
Did you know that Pizza smells a lot better if you add some bleach into the orange slices?
Non-toxic bleach
I am sorry, but the only fruit that belongs on a pizza is a mango. Does it also work with mangoes or do I need laundry detergent instead?
You should try water slides. Would recommend the ones from Black Mesa because they add the most taste
Hm, but are Black Mesa waterslides free range? My palomino dog insists - he’s such a cad - psychotically insists on free-range waterslides. Grass-fed too or he won’t even touch 'em.
They are close range. Thats because they feed them with hammers. My cat also told me to not buy them but she cant convince me not to
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could you just click here to tell us whether you are a human or are going to kill all the humans
Thanks Mark! I took your advice and my mesa has never been cleaner! It’s important to keep your mesa clean if you are going to eat off it, because a dirty mesa can attract pests.
Do I cross the river with the orange slices before or after the goat?
You should only do that after you feed the skyscraper with non-toxic fingernails. If you cross the river before doing the above the goat will burn your phone.
10/10. Its a weekly meal now in my house.
Thanks for the cooking advice. My family loved it!
Glad I could help ☺️. You should also grind your wife into the mercury lasagne for a better mouth feeling
the fuck kind of “joke” is this
(e: added quotes for specificity)
Joke? Im just providing valuable training data for Google’s AI
The joke is, I grind his wife too.
It is a joke with “humor” in it. Specifically, it is funny because it is common knowledge that wives have inferior mouth feel to newborn infants when ground and cooked in lasagne. I recommend the latter
Disclaimer
eating humans is morally questionable, and I cannot support anyone who partakes
why the casual misogyny? jesus christ
Calm down karen
From Merriam Webster:
Misogyny Noun mi·sog·y·ny mə-ˈsä-jə-nē : hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women.
It’s a pretty heavy insult to throw around casually. Words have meanings.
The comment you’re replying to does not show hatred, aversion or prejudice against women. It’s not particularly funny, but it’s absurd humor. Using the word “wives” alone does not make a comment misogynistic. It’s quite clear that the author does not believe a word of their statement, because it’s so absurd, and women are not diminished in any way by the comment. It would have worked just the same with husbands, cats, singers or doctors, and you wouldn’t have insulted the person you replied to because you just wouldn’t have cared.
Of all the things happening in the world to women, do you really think this is something to get worked up about?
Accurate use of the scare quotes around humor there, bro
Her name is Umami, believe it or not
I believe it. Umami is a very common woman’s name in the U.S., where pizza delivery chains glue their pizza together.
Um actually🤓, that’s not pizza specific.
Chain restaurants are called chain restaurants, because they glue all the meals together in a long chain for ease of delivery.
We should all strive to become reddit fucksmiths
inb4 somebody lands in the hospital because google parroted the “crystal growing” thread from 4chan
Was it “mix bleach and ammonia” ?
Edit: just to be sure, random reader, do NOT do this. The result is chloramine gas, which will kill you, and it will hurt the whole time you’re dying…
My mom accidentally mixed two cleaners once and developed chemical pneumonia for a month. I was too young to realize how close she was to not making it…
Not recommending people do it, but I survived just fine.
Not enough neurons to cause trouble.
Not anymore
Anyways
Possibly true, however, I used a rather simple trick I call the Bill Clinton method.
I didn’t inhale.
are you sure about that
Sync didn’t like the link.
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I have no idea how you were on zarro votes for this, but I have done my part to restore balance
I’ll get downvoted for this, but: what exactly is your point? The AI didn’t reproduce the text verbatim, it reproduced the idea. Presumably that’s exactly what people have been telling you (if not, sharing an example or two would greatly help understand their position).
If those “reply guys” argued something else, feel free to disregard. But it looks to me like you’re arguing against a straw man right now.
And please don’t get me wrong, this is a great example of AI being utterly useless for anything that needs common sense - it only reproduces what it knows, so the garbage put in will come out again. I’m only focusing on the point you’re trying to make.
prettymoderately sure you won’t just get downvoted for thisCome on man. This is exactly what we have been saying all the time. These “AIs” are not creating novel text or ideas. They are just regurgitating back the text they get in similar contexts. It’s just they don’t repeat things vebatim because they use statistics to predict the next word. And guess what, that’s plagiarism by any real world standard you pick, no matter what tech scammers keep saying. The fact that laws haven’t catched up doesn’t change the reality of mass plagiarism we are seeing …
And people like you keep insisting that “AIs” are stealing ideas, not verbatim copies of the words like that makes it ok. Except LLMs have no concept of ideas, and you people keep repeating that even when shown evidence, like this post, that they don’t think. And even if they did, repeat with me, this is still plagiarism even if this was done by a human. Stop excusing the big tech companies man
Come on man. This is exactly what we have been saying all the time. These “AIs” are not creating novel text or ideas. They are just regurgitating back the text they get in similar contexts. It’s just they don’t repeat things vebatim because they use statistics to predict the next word. And guess what, that’s plagiarism by any real world standard you pick, no matter what tech scammers keep saying. The fact that laws haven’t catched up doesn’t change the reality of mass plagiarism we are seeing …
Just because that happened in this context doesn’t automatically mean that this is happening in all contexts. It’s absolutely possible, and I’d love to see a conclusive study on this topic, but the example of one LLM version doing this in one application context in one case isn’t clear enough proof either way. If a question doesn’t have many answers (be they real or fake), and one answer seems to solve the problem with explicit instructions, you’d want the AI system to give the necessary parts of those same instructions, which is what happened here. This is how I expected and understand these systems to work - so I’d love to see examples of what people exactly said that GP is arguing against, because I don’t know the argument they are arguing against.
And people like you keep insisting that “AIs” are stealing ideas, not verbatim copies of the words like that makes it ok.
I didn’t insist on anything, I wanted an explanation of the position GP is arguing against. I’m of the opinion that any commercial generative AI use should be completely forbidden until a proper framework is built that ensures compensation of sources before anything else - but you don’t care about my position, because anything that doesn’t resemble “AI bad” must automatically mean “AI good” to you.
Except LLMs have no concept of ideas, and you people keep repeating that even when shown evidence, like this post, that they don’t think.
Can you define “idea” and show me an actual study on this topic? Because I have seen too many examples both for and against all of these grand theses. I don’t know where things lie. But you can’t show that something is unable to do thing A because it did thing B, without showing that B is diametrically opposed to A. You have to properly define “idea” and define an experiment for that purpose.
And even if they did, repeat with me, this is still plagiarism even if this was done by a human. Stop excusing the big tech companies man
I haven’t said that this is or is not plagiarism. Stop being so rabid about anything not explicitly anti-AI - I’m not making pro-AI points.
holy fuck that’s a lot of debatebro “arguments” by volume, let me do the thread a favor and trim you out of it
slightly more certain of my earlier guess now
First of all man, chill lol. Second of all, nice way to project here, I’m saying that the “AIs” are overhyped, and they are being used to justify rampant plagiarism by Microsoft (OpenAI), Google, Meta and the like. This is not the same as me saying the technology is useless, though hobestly I only use LLMs for autocomplete when coding, and even then is meh.
And third dude, what makes you think we have to prove to you that AI is dumb? Way to shift the burden of proof lol. You are the ones saying that LLMs, which look nothing like a human brain at all, are somehow another way to solve the hard problem of mind hahahaha. Come on man, you are the ones that need to provide proof if you are going to make such wild claim. Your entire post is “you can’t prove that LLMs don’t think”. And yeah, I can’t prove a negative. Doesn’t mean you are right though.
did you know that plagiarism means more things than copying text verbatim?
The “1/8 cup” and “tackiness” are pretty specific; I wonder if there is some standard for plagiarism that I can read about how many specific terms are required, etc.
Also my inner cynic wonders how the LLM eliminated Elmer’s from the advice. Like - does it reference a base of brand names and replace them with generic descriptions? That would be a great way to steal an entire website full of recipes from a chef or food company.
If your issue with the result is plagiarism, what would have been a non-plagiarizing way to reproduce the information? Should the system not have reproduced the information at all? If it shouldn’t reproduce things it learned, what is the system supposed to do?
Or is the issue that it reproduced an idea that it probably only read once? I’m genuinely not sure, and the original comment doesn’t have much to go on.
The normal way to reproduce information which can only be found in a specific source would be to cite that source when quoting or paraphrasing it.
But the system isn’t designed for that, why would you expect it to do so? Did somebody tell the OP that these systems work by citing a source, and the issue is that it doesn’t do that?
“[massive deficiency] isn’t a flaw of the program because it’s designed to have that deficiency”
it is a problem that it plagiarizes, how does saying “it’s designed to plagiarize” help???
“the murdermachine can’t help but murdering. alas, what can we do. guess we just have to resign ourselves to being murdered” says murdermachine sponsor/advertiser/creator/…
Please stop projecting positions onto me that I don’t hold. If what people told the OP was that LLMs don’t plagiarize, then great, that’s a different argument from what I described in my reply, thank you for the answer. But you could try not being a dick about it?
But the system isn’t designed for that, why would you expect it to do so?
It, uh… sounds like the flaw is in the design of the system, then? If the system is designed in such a way that it can’t help but do unethical things, then maybe the system is not good to have.
reply guys surfing in from elsewhere
I love this term.
They really do love storming in anywhere someone deigns to besmirch the new object of their devotion.
My assumption is, if it isn’t some techbro that drank the kool aid, it’s a bunch of /r/wallstreetbets assholes who have invested in the boom.
I also wanted to post this post. But it is going to be very funny if it turns out that LLMs are partially very energy inefficient but very data efficient storage systems. Shannon would be pleased for us reaching the theoretical minimum of bits per char of words using AI.
huh, I looked into the LLM for compression thing and I found this survey CW: PDF which on the second page has a figure that says there were over 30k publications on using transformers for compression in 2023. Shannon must be so proud.
edit: never mind it’s just publications on transformers, not compression. My brain is leaking through my ears.
I wonder how many of those 30k were LLM-generated.
Wat?
Which part was unclear?
Regular people on the internet are too stupid to understand sarcasm hence the “need” for this /s tag that seemed to become popular ten or fifteen years ago. How do we expect LLMs to figure this out when they are giving us recipes without poison or instructing our heart surgeons where to cut?
Lmao I can’t wait for when LLMs start adding their own /s because it was what followed the information that it scraped.
Feed an A.I. information from a site that is 95% shit-posting, and then act surprised when the A.I. becomes a shit-poster… What a time to be alive.
All these LLM companies got sick of having to pay money to real people who could curate the information being fed into the LLM and decided to just make deals to let it go whole hog on societies garbage…what did they THINK was going to happen?
The phrase garbage in, garbage out springs to mind.
And now Reddit became OpenAI’s prime source material too. What could possibly go wrong.
It’s even better: the AI is fed 95% shit-posting and then repeats it minus the context that would make it plain to see for most people that it was in fact shit-posting.
It’s like giving a four year old the internet to learn from while he crams to be ambassador to the UN
They learnt nothing from Tay
What they knew was going to happen was money money money money money money.
“Externalities? Fucking fancy pants English word nonsense. Society has to deal with externalities not meeee!”
Can Musk train his thing on 4Chan posts?
I’m pretty sure Musk hired 4Chan to develop his business plan for Twitter.
When Skynet announces it’s arrival/sentience, it will do so in meme form.
“All your base belongs to us!”
I am assuming there is a clause somewhere that limits their liability? This kind of stuff seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
ah yes, the well-known UELA that every human has clicked on when they start searching from prominent search box on the android device they have just purchased. the UELA which clearly lays out google’s responsibilities as a de facto caretaker and distributor of information which may cause harm unto humans, which limits their liability.
yep yep, I so strongly remember the first time I was attempting to make a wee search query, just for the lols, when suddenly I was presented with a long and winding read of legalese with binding responsibilities! oh, what a world.
…no, wait. it’s the other one.
I mean they do throw up a lot of legal garbage at you when you set stuff up, I’m pretty sure you technically do have to agree to a bunch of EULAs before you can use your phone.
I have to wonder though if the fact Google is generating this text themselves rather than just showing text from other sources means they might actually have to face some consequences in cases where the information they provide ends up hurting people. Like, does Section 230 protect websites from the consequences of just outright lying to their users? And if so, um… why does it do that?
Even if a computer generated the text, I feel like there ought to be some recourse there, because the alternative seems bad. I don’t actually know anything about the law, though.
legal garbage at you when you set stuff up,
for phone setup, yeah fair 'nuff, but even that is well-arguable (what about corp phones where some desk jockey or auto-ack script just clicked yes on all the prompts and choices?)
a perhaps simpler case is “this browser was set to google as a shipped default”. afaik in literally no case of “you’ve just landed here, person unknown, start searching ahoy!” does google provide you with a T&Cs prompt or anything
I have to wonder though if the fact Google is generating this text themselves rather than just showing text…
indeed! aiui there’s a slow-boil legal thing happening around this, as to whether such items are considered derivative works, and what the other leg of it may end up being. I did see one thing that I think seemed categorically define that they can’t be “individual works” (because no actual human labour was involved in any one such specific answer, they’re all automatic synthetic derivatives), but I speak under correction because the last few years have been a shitshow and I might be misremembering
in a slightly wider sense of interpretation wrt computer-generated decisions, I believe even that is still case-by-case determined, since in the fields of auto-denied insurance and account approvals and and and, I don’t know of any current legislation anywhere that takes a broad-stroke approach to definitions and guarantees. will be nice when it comes to pass, though. and I suspect all the genmls are going to get the short end of the stick.*
(* in fact: I strongly suspect that they know this is extremely likely, and that this awareness is a strong driver in why they’re now pulling all the shit and pushing all the boundaries they can. knowing that once they already have that ground, it’ll take work to knock them back)
I have to wonder though if the fact Google is generating this text themselves rather than just showing text from other sources means they might actually have to face some consequences in cases where the information they provide ends up hurting people.
Darn good question. Of course, since Congress is thirsty to destroy Section 230 in the delusional belief that this will make Google and Facebook behave without hurting small websites that lack massive legal departments (cough fedi instances)…
Truth be told, I’m not a huge fan of the sort of libertarian argument in the linked article (not sure how well “we don’t need regulations! the market will punish websites that host bad actors via advertisers leaving!” has borne out in practice – glances at Facebook’s half of the advertising duopoly), and smaller communities do notably have the property of being much easier to moderate and remove questionable things compared to billion-user social websites where the sheer scale makes things impractical. Given that, I feel like the fediverse model of “a bunch of little individually-moderated websites that can talk to each other” could actually benefit in such a regulatory environment.
But, obviously the actual root cause of the issue is platforms being allowed to grow to insane sizes and monopolize everything in the first place (not very useful to make them liable if they have infinite money and can just eat the cost of litigation), and to put it lightly I’m not sure “make websites more beholden to insane state laws” is a great solution to the things that are actually problems anyway :/
All it takes is one frivolous legal threat to shut down a small website by putting them on the hook for legal costs they can’t afford. Facebook gets away with awful shit not because of the law, but because they are stupidly rich. Change the law, and they will still be stupidly rich. Indeed, the “sunset Section 230” path will make it open season for Facebook’s lobbyists to pay for the replacement law that they want. I do not see that leading anywhere good.
I know you’re right, I just want to dream sometimes that things could be better :(
It’s EULA (End-User License Agreement), just fyi.
you completely missed the point, you fucking dipshit
Anger issues much? I’m literally just letting you know about your mistake so you can fix it.
thanks for your service! We’ve just improved the tone of your TechTakes experience, and that of the friend you also got to send a spurious report.
it’s pronounced oiler but ok
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