No way this is real.
The waiter would have said “Non.”
… wouldn’t that be pronounced the same, though?
Non is pronounced without a complete final n, but air diverts through the sinuses as if you did pronounce the n. Or even as if you said nōng, but didn’t finish saying the g.
Yes, it was joke. To those who don’t speak French, it just sounds like “no” with a French accent.
“No”, on the other han, does not sound like “non” to the French; they’re used to differentiating nasal versus non-nasal vowels.
Non
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and the brain switched to the
next availablefactory default language, English.
That is the standard response in France, I’m surprise that waiter was so polite about it.
We wanted to order pizza and I told my girlfriend (who is Italian) that I might order Pizza Hawaii. Her reflexes kicked in and she bit me.
So tasty that she had to get at the residuals
This does qualify as blasphemy.
Shes a keeper.
Once in Italy my wife tried ordering a pizza with chicken and they just straight up laughed at her and said ‘Not in Italy!’, but like… not in a mean way.
Now show her this (hint: top-left corner).
Well yeah, nobody calls it that. It’s Hawaiian Pizza.
“Nobody”
Is it just in Germany then?
Damn, just when you are about to forgive a country for their misdeeds.
The Dutch do it like this too, but I don’t know who started it
I am almost sure it’s also in Italy. But gf is sleeping. Can’t ask.
Edit: Ok, I woke her up and it’s a bit more complicated. You usually say things like Pizza con “ingredient” or Pizza alla “stuff”. There are some pizzas that a famous and these are called Pizza “Name”. So, if the country of Italy ever would accept the existence of Pizza Hawaii, it would be called that.
To be fair, Italian pizza is a separate beast entirely, essentially a completely different food.
True.
Cook carbonara with cream next
I like Pizza Hawaii, that doesn’t mean I’m a war criminal.
I’m pretty sure the Italians would take the war criminal over you.
Source: food debates with Italian friends
Make it with powdered eggs and American bacon to capture the pure, traditional heritage of the fish.
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I’m curious what part of the world you’re from? I’ve never seen it phrased as “Pizza Hawaii” and it hits my brain like a wall just the same as hearing “Pizza Margarita”.
Is calling it Pizza Hawaii new? Seen it three times in this thread but I’ve never seen it anywhere before. Usually people just say Hawaiian pizza. Which is the inferior version of pineapple on Pizza by the way.
I don’t know. I actually never heard of Hawaiian Pizza before.
Oh my Gucciness, my mom did that while I was growing up. I learned how to get my carbonara on when I moved to Europe. Damn, I love the traditional carbonara.
Now go to Rome and get it there. I really miss proper carbonara and Amatriciana after moving from Rome to northern Italy.
Curious, is their preference guanciale o pancetta? I tried both, and guanciale is my favorite.
guanciale, 100%.
If you want to piss off an italian make carbonara with cream and pancetta
The memes about this with Italians have made me never want to even so much as converse with an Italian about food. No, there’s no right way to do anything, there’s just ways that work and ways that don’t and being an asshole (sorry I’ve seen a bunch of obnoxious TikToks) doesn’t make you more right, it just makes you more insufferable. There was one particular series of shorts that kept popping up for me with an Italian guy and his American girlfriend that always revolved around him getting angry at her cooking and every single time I wanted to be able to punch that chode in his Adam’s apple repeatedly until he could never speak again.
My bro is legit visiting Rome this week. Will demand he do this. Thanks!
Tell him to not go to restaurants within sight of a famous monument and never if there is someone in the street convincing people to come in.
Or if you want a concrete recommendation, go to Zi Umberto in Trastevere for awesome Roman peasant food. But you need to book.
Rn he and his two young daughters are at Piazza Navona. Gimme the action list, youItaliansz.
Would you suggest I try the Bucatini Amatriciana at Zi Umberto?
Absolutely. And if they have the zucchini flowers for starter. And it’s all good, really.
I can’t remember if Artichokes are in season… I think I saw some at the market yesterday, but if they are then the Romans do great things with them. Both Roman and Jewish style.
I love France they take food and tradition seriously while at the same time their own government is afraid off them.
If I were a government, I’d be afraid of French traditions, too.
All governments should be afraid of their people. The French ae doing something right.
Food snobs might be one of my least favorite types of humans there are. The minute I hear/see someone start talking about how they would never eat that or whatever other bullshit, is almost like I’m hearing them start talking about the good things Trump is doing for everyone. Let’s never cross paths again, you’re insufferable.
I mean, it really depends on their delivery.
If they’re acting like it somehow un-stinks their shit, ok fuck off.
However, there are certain foods that everyone loves that I simply cannot stand. Cake, is a big one. I will actively seek against eating cake. It frequently leaves me feeling gross, especially on an empty stomach. I do not see it as good. I can understand someone speaking about food like that.
Either that, or oat milk isn’t on the menu and he didn’t have any.
I’m also referring to this thread.
Then that is a failure on the business. It is a very common request.
It’s only a failure if they wanted to do that kind of business. If I open an Italian restaurant and someone orders Thai, did I fail?
There is a difference between a restaurant of a specific cusine and plainly deniying acommodating for common dietary preferences. Be it for health or ethical reasons. I guess in most cuisines worldwide there are either plenty of suitable dishes already available or they should be at least easy to accomodate. But sometimes it seems it’s even too much of an ask to leave out some simple ingredients.
“Deny accommodating for common dietary preference”, how? Have your coffee black, there, completely lactose-free. If you ask for a latte, don’t be surprised when you get milk. If you don’t want milk, don’t order a latte. Do you know what “latte” translates to?
Sure. There is a scale where my example was an extreme for illustration. Your point a very reasonable one as well. If I was running a a cafe I would offer it but I am Canadian. If I were french and you asked for a baguette olive loaf you would find yourself in a guillotine. Context matters and traditions matter more than commerce in many cultures.
“Do you have eggs? Yes. Do you have noodles? Yes. Do you have curry paste? Yes. Do you…”
~ worst customer you will ever meet
It’s not common at all.
“At all”?
In the year 2024, Oatly had annual revenue of $823.67M with 5.15% growth. Oatly had revenue of $214.32M in the quarter ending December 31, 2024, with 4.99% growth.
Oatly’s key markets are Sweden, Germany and the United Kingdom. The company’s products were available in 60,000 retail stores and 32,200 coffee shops around the world as of 31 December 2020.
Do you really think that Sweden, Germany and UK is all the world there is? I’ve got a surprise for you.
I get the sneaking suspicion you enjoy being contrarian for contradictions sake.
Yes. About 2/3rd of the worldwide population is lactose-intolerant. Hence, it is really common to ask for lactose-free products.
Most of the lactose-intolerant population isn’t asking for lattes for the simple reason that their cuisine doesn’t use dairy at all.
Also FWIW Italy is quite lactose-intolerant. It’s why you hear things like “no cappuccino after noon” and stuff, many Italians don’t vibe well with more than one of those things.
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That’s a myth really. Lactose intolerant don’t drink lattes in the first place. But they might not be that intolerant in the first place
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In this thread, most of both the French and the vegans are insufferable. I like a nice strong black coffee and I don’t eat a lot of meat, but there’s a reason I don’t really want to go back to Paris or to half of the vegan restaurants I try.
Who tf drinks that? I’d rather have a Hawaii pizza. Totally acceptable answer
My guess would be someone who is lactose intolerant
^ I am rather fond of not risking shitting myself.
Or someone who is vegan.
Or someone who just likes the taste of oat milk.
Personally I’m not vegan and I do drink dairy milk, but I also love oat milk and often order my coffee that way. It adds a kind of nutty taste which I really like. Would recommend trying it sometime.
Well I know a source of yummy nutty white liquid too.
Would you just go up to a stranger on the street and say that nonsense? And if you can, resist the jackass urge to just say “yes” and actually fucking consider the question honestly.
I’m sure they were just going to mention coconuts.
I’m like this with soy. It tastes fancy. It’s the only milk I get when I get a coffee from somewhere. It’s not the same making my own tho so I use whole milk for that.
I got off of animal milk before I went vegan or even vegetarian. Plant milk is just superior in every way.
It lasts much longer in the refrigerator, for one thing. With cow milk, I had to keep reminding myself to drink it because it would go rancid in a few days.
Cow milk always tastes a bit off so I’m never sure when it’s really off.
We keep almond milk for drinks and cereal, powdered milk for cooking (because macaroni and cheese/some sauces just don’t want almond milk).
(I’m not vegetarian, just low-meat enough that I have to compensate for a B12 deficiency. Jazz hands).
B12 is also artificially given into animal fodder. Look into enriched alternatives (ie alpro does alot) if thats the actual reasoning in the last statement.
enriched example
In countries corpos need to stick to give “nutritional value tables” for each animal, there u can see how much supplements are given. Which is done because its just cheaper for the short time they need to “grow”. on that note quality standards for supplements via lab tests are non existent, which is even hard to get for human consumption already.
Its all a big fairy tale the lobby doesnt want you to be correctly educated on
Oh, no worries. I compensate with a B12 supplement. I just need the supplement because my diet doesn’t otherwise contain enough B12. I’m low-meat because I want to reduce my environmental impact, cows are cute, pork violently disagrees with me, and I don’t like chicken.
I’m never sure when it’s really off
I’m all for alternative milks, but you’ll know when the milk’s really off. If it smells farmyard-y and a little sour, it’s probably on its last day but it won’t hurt you. When it’s splitting, it’s no good.
I only say this because I know way too many people who dump milk that’s still got the best part of a week on it because it’s got any sort of smell, and it’s super wasteful.
It lasts much longer in the refrigerator
You are actually supposed to discard it after like 10 days after opening
I’ve never tracked it, but I haven’t ever had it go bad.
Or someone who just likes the taste of oat milk.
👋 Came for the veganism, staid for the taste. Esp. in coffee it’s better than cow’s milk imo. [I need to differentiate between oatmilk and barista oatmilk though. I don’t much care for the latter.]
What’s barista oatmilk? I’ve seen it in the store, but I don’t buy it because I drink my coffee black.
Afaik it’s a slightly different mix of ingredients (more fat, or less fat or more sugar or something) that is supposed to be better for making froth.
It just has a higher fat content to help create a stable foam. Usually sunflower oil
Additives to not curdle etc.
Same here with plant milk in coffee. It gives you a ton of really yummy variety. I’ve accidentally had dairy milk put in my coffee, and every time I recognize it by how noticeably worse the coffee tastes.
Another one for me was nutritional yeast on popcorn. I mixed it into my usual popcorn seasoning, and popcorn legitimately isn’t as good to me now without nooch.
staid
I’m not trying to be a dick, but it is stayed just fyi
Or someone who prefers products with a lower carbon footprint.
Oat milk is superior to any other milk (including dairy) for coffee and I will fight anyone who disagrees
Woah! Calm down! I don’t wanna fight. Plus my tummy is not into dairy products that much. It was just the all: “I ordered a latte with oat milk in Paris” thing that sounded more of a San Francisco stuff to me. My favourite barman in my favourite bar told me last week: “I don’t do cocktails” when I ordered a gin and tonic. Everything more complicated than a beer or a coffee is a cocktail.
I like soy milk in my coffee :)
So not a 34% heavy cream person eh?
Cream in coffee counts as a full breakfast. It’s so heavy.
Hawaiian Pizza is the best pizza, Nickelback is the greatest band, and Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback. Have at it.
The Duke was the best controller ever made.
Only because it can also be used as a weapon. Kyoketsu-shoge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoketsu-shoge#%3A~%3Atext=The+kyoketsu-shoge+has+a%2Cand+many+such+other+uses.
To be fair, the problem with Hawaiian Pizza isn’t the pineapple, it’s that pineapple + canadian bacon just doesn’t have enough flavor. If you’re going to go full American-style pizza, you gotta overload those taste buds.
For example, I love pineapple with jalapeno and some kind of flavorful meat (philly steak, salami, etc).
My problem with pineapple on pizza is when the pineapple isn’t hydrated enough. Should be juicy. Which also keeps the cheese from drying out too much. One trick is to ask for the cheese on top of the pineapple. This also works for tomatoes. You get these delicious bursts of flavour instead of dry shriveled textures
Windows is the best operating system.
hp makes the best printers.
Tesla makes the best cars
Too far
The Zune was the superior mp3 player.
anyone who would rather not add cow blood and pus to their order?
You know the answer to that.
Vegans and people who just like oatmilk in there coffee. Give a try sometime, it’s good
Not OP, but… I’ve had it once. And it will probably stay at that number to end of my days. Oat milk is just gross for me, felt wrong at all possible levels.
It’s oats and water.
But cow juice is somehow fine?
Yes, for me it is.
Totally fair lol, it isn’t for everyone. I like how it makes my coffee taste nutty
Everyone is different and that’s how it’s supposed to be. Glad you like it.
oats aren’t mamals, can’t see how he could possibly get milk from it.
Same for almonds and everything else.
I also don’t order cow juice.Lol what an original joke.
The word ‘milk’ in the English language has been used to describe plant-based milks for at least 800 years. Soy milk and Almond milk as beverages have been around for at least 1000 years.
You’re ahistorical proscriptive definition is just bullshit gatekeeping. You are wrong and should feel bad about yourself over it.
an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young.
bullshit gatekeeping. You are wrong and should feel bad about yourself over it.
Jeez man how can you be so triggered and fanatic about something?
Touch some grassA word has multiple definitions.
In English (or French), milk can also describe a while liquid. There are six definitions for milk on Wiktionnary, and here is the second one:
(uncountable, by extension) A white (or whitish) liquid obtained from a vegetable source such as almonds, coconuts, oats, rice, or soy beans
There is also something called cement milk
A watery film of a dull white or gray color often appears on the surface. This white matter is the so-called cement milk.
I was walking under a decrepit elevated expressway and there were signs saying to be careful about cement milk dripping from the ceiling. I don’t think there’s any mammal involved in producing that type of milk.
Proscriptive definitions aren’t how language works, and never have been.
I like that wordds have meaning. Whatever it is, milk or juice, it shouldn’t get you to react like that.
Why do you think milk can only come from mammals?
That’s the definition of milk, so yes
It’s a definition, but hardly the only one.
“almond juice” has been called “almond milk” in the french language since middle age. That’s not the issue here. The guy probably order something that was not on the carte. That’s it. There is coffee shop than specialise in fancy and complicated coffee based beuvrage. In a regular café, you should check the menu before asking for your favorite drink for a shop at home.
Yes, I don’t see how you can be indignated about something so trivial you need to make a post about it.
How do you not have oat milk though, it’s the easiest dairy replacement for coffee.
No it is not. It is to you and your context. When it comes to plant-based milk, anything other than soja and almond is considered very exotic in France, most of people have never tried it. French people have coffee black or with cow milk. Lactose-free cow milk is part of everyday life and most of people don’t have milk in their coffee if they don’t want cow milk. As for latte, it is not a everyday drink but a treat and in many place people will not understand you are ordering a latté (litt: of milk) if you don’t even plan of having milk.
I see. I’ve heard that oat milk is so easy to make that I thought it must have spread everywhere.
I’ve made some at home and it is by far my favorite type of plant-based milk but it is definitively an exotic beverage to the average Frenchman who anyway only eats oat in muesli.
France doesn’t do new food stuff
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Ah, the french.
Don’t know where europe would be without them.
Run by lords
More nobles and fewer Haussman style buildings, for a start.
Did they mention that milk comes from cows and not oats?
So I guess, fuck lactose intolerant, amiright?
Paradox of tolerance: if we allow the lactose intolerant to exist amongst us, their intolerance will not tolerate our tolerationess. First they came for the milk, and I said nothing for I was not a cow…
Then they came for the guns and I said nothing because I’m not a pig…
Yes.
“If yeu cannot drink le milk, don’t order le cafe’ with le milk.”
but I’m le tired
well take a nap. Then don’t order the coffee with ze milk!
Fuckin kangaroos.
Not sure if that’s a thing in France, but alternatively to plant milk for lactose intolerant
- Lactose-free milk (there are versions with lactose removed instead of broken down, that aren’t sweet and taste basically the same as normal milk)
- Lactase enzyme taken together with the coffee, to break lactose down
I don’t really see plant milk as the lactose-intolerant variant, but a vegan option, but that might just be due to the fact Finland has lactose-free milk available as an option basically everywhere as milk is such an important part of the coffee culture.
I think if you’d rank all European countries according to how important milk is in their coffee culture, France might be at the bottom. Although I’m not sure about south-eastern countries regarding this, they might score low too.
Yep, I also think the French in general don’t really appreciate Finnish coffee culture, if their presidents reaction is anything to go by. Still one of my favourite pictures.
Nice, was this in Finland?
Yep, I think it’s from Helsinki market square – and not sure if this needs to be said but not taken by me 😅
I’d imagine most French people who are lactose intolerant just take their coffee without any kind of milk.
That’s probably the most polite barista in Paris. I’d have expected a tirade, complete with arm waving and rude gestures.
They also seem to operate under the misunderstanding that the French can make coffee. Here in Italy we know that to be false.
Pwffft Italy know about coffee?
Signed, A Brazilian
You certainly make a lot of the coffee but all the technology for brewing it comes from Italy. Anyway, there is lots of credit to spread around. It’s just that the French don’t get any of it.
Signed, Not an Italian
That’s true, and you should know I do coffee drip. So I’m not into that tech, which means I’m doubling down
Honestly not trolling today
Filtered coffee for the win
Half the French I know have a Bialetti stove top coffee machine. Sure, the french typically buy ground beans and they tend to prefer a dark roast. But they still use Italian technology.
To be fair, most of the dishes people like from France are imported by some king or another. Traditional French food kinda sucks, unless you really like stew.
Guillotine!
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The French are right. When you have fabled cuisine, lauded all over the world as the gold standard… you get resistant to change. And rightfully so.
Putain, non, is indeed the proper response to said question.
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In Italy, at “L’Isola della Pizza” in Rome, I asked the guy if I could get a pizza with salami, pepperoni, and sausage, and the guy was like “ah, American style!”
